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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 12:27:16 GMT
So you are determined to think the worst, that's a big negative from you. In the 1930s all the Germans did was to encourage Jews to migrate out of the country. Several factors determined the ebb and flow of emigration of Jews from Germany. These included the degree of pressure placed on the Jewish community in Germany and the willingness of other countries to admit Jewish immigrants. However, in the face of increasing legal repression and physical violence, many Jews fled Germany. Until October 1941, German policy officially encouraged Jewish emigration. Gradually, however, the Nazis sought to deprive Jews fleeing Germany of their property by levying an increasingly heavy emigration tax and by restricting the amount of money that could be transferred abroad from German banks. I'm inferring what Lineker said and probably what he meant as did many people. We all know where that ended up in the 1930's, so it is perfectly logical and reasonable to infer that. He could have used any other source/time/event in history to relay what you believe he said, but unfortunately he chose the most extreme event. Your nasty conclusion is YOUR CHOICE, you certainly do not speak for decent individuals. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 12:30:37 GMT
Are you for real? "all" the Germans did was destroy their business's, confiscate their houses, belongings, life savings and prevent those fortunate enough to leave from taking any of their belongings with them. Those less fortunate were made to wear yellow stars, work as slave labour and eventually be exterminated. That's "all" the Germans did. Lineker is just a badly educated rather thick leftie with too much to say, as is Litha Nandy. Your point BEGAN IN 1941 as posted previously. You need to get real. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 21, 2023 12:41:57 GMT
Honestly Nandy is as thick as two short planks, I don't know how she's managed to get so far in politics, she's clueless.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 21, 2023 13:20:36 GMT
Honestly Nandy is as thick as two short planks, I don't know how she's managed to get so far in politics, she's clueless. LOL and lets not forget abacus and starmers dog... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 21, 2023 13:30:26 GMT
Honestly Nandy is as thick as two short planks, I don't know how she's managed to get so far in politics, she's clueless. LOL and lets not forget abacus and starmers dog... LOL |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 21, 2023 14:36:30 GMT
Nandy is local to me, and she is actually a very popular and well respected MP.
She (and quite a few in Labour) need to wake up and realise that they need to make arguments with broad appeal, not ones that rely on language designed to cancel different views.
Holy shit I can do it, why can't they? lol.
The Tory Rwanda policy is rubbish because:
It is doomed to failure because it breaks so many international treaties. They need to work together with other countries and agree quotas and safe routes so that the problem is shared... and of course assess the claims in weeks, not years, so they can get working asap and not be a drain on the tax payer.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 21, 2023 14:47:29 GMT
Nandy is local to me, and she is actually a very popular and well respected MP. She (and quite a few in Labour) need to wake up and realise that they need to make arguments with broad appeal, not ones that rely on language designed to cancel different views. Holy shit I can do it, why can't they? lol. The Tory Rwanda policy is rubbish because: It is doomed to failure because it breaks so many international treaties. They need to work together with other countries and agree quotas and safe routes so that the problem is shared... and of course assess the claims in weeks, not years, so they can get working asap and not be a drain on the tax payer. You really need to watch Nandy being interviewed, it's cringeworthy.
She's just like a programmed dog, if they ask her anything outside of what she's programmed to respond to, she just repeats the same thing over and over again, it really infuriates the interviewers, she reads from a script, it's almost impossible for her to answer anything off scrip.
She might be a popular MP, but being popular and being capable of your job are two different things.
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Post by om15 on Mar 21, 2023 16:21:39 GMT
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 17:03:14 GMT
There is no dispute of the fact that the Germans/Hitler were anti-Jewish from the start. It was in the early years about getting the Jews to migrate away from Germany. But it was not until late in 1938 that things turned bad and not until 1941 when the situation became impossible for the Jews. Lineker made reference TO THE LANGUAGE used against the boat people, not to the TREATMENT of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s. He couldn't refer to the treatment because no such treatment had taken place against the 'boat people'. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 19:00:26 GMT
There is no dispute of the fact that the Germans/Hitler were anti-Jewish from the start. It was in the early years about getting the Jews to migrate away from Germany. But it was not until late in 1938 that things turned bad and not until 1941 when the situation became impossible for the Jews. Lineker made reference TO THE LANGUAGE used against the boat people, not to the TREATMENT of the Jews in Germany in the 1930s. He couldn't refer to the treatment because no such treatment had taken place against the 'boat people'. The Nazis were rabidly antisemitic from the start, and although not yet legally sanctioned, persecution of the Jews began to be bad right from the start, in 1933. Ad hoc concentration camps rapidly sprang up and prominent Jews were frequently dragged off to them by stormtrooper thugs empowered as auxiliary police. There they were routinely beaten and tortured, often murdered. Jews in effect lost the protection of the law in practice and any antisemite who wanted to beat or attack them could do so with impunity. Official persecution was not long in coming. Jews were excluded from the civil service, teaching, the media and law. Many lost their livelihoods. Jewish businesses early on began to be confiscated. Those left were increasingly restricted to serving Jews only. As early as April 1st 1933, a nationwide boycott against the Jews was officially organised. Those Jews who ended up in concentration camps were the favoured targets of brutality and sadism, like the eyewitness account of some new Jewish arrivals at Dachau who were set upon by camp guards wielding spades who beat them so severely just for the fun of it that some of them died, whilst others had their eyes knocked out of their eye sockets. Life in Germany was deliberately made one of fear for the Jews to encourage their emigration. Those who left had to leave everything of value behind. In 1935 the Nuremberg laws outlawed sexual relations between Jews and Germans and further limited their freedoms. Typically they were banned from all places of recreation, and in practice Nazi thugs could beat and humiliate them at will without consequence. To say that things did not get bad until 1938 is a woefully ignorant and inaccurate statement in light of the actual reality. Things were bad and indeed life threatening for them from the very start. They just got progressively worse as time went by, the persecution ever more violent, murderous, extensive and systematized. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 19:08:36 GMT
Nandy is local to me, and she is actually a very popular and well respected MP. She (and quite a few in Labour) need to wake up and realise that they need to make arguments with broad appeal, not ones that rely on language designed to cancel different views. Holy shit I can do it, why can't they? lol. The Tory Rwanda policy is rubbish because: It is doomed to failure because it breaks so many international treaties. They need to work together with other countries and agree quotas and safe routes so that the problem is shared... and of course assess the claims in weeks, not years, so they can get working asap and not be a drain on the tax payer. You really need to watch Nandy being interviewed, it's cringeworthy.
She's just like a programmed dog, if they ask her anything outside of what she's programmed to respond to, she just repeats the same thing over and over again, it really infuriates the interviewers, she reads from a script, it's almost impossible for her to answer anything off scrip.
She might be a popular MP, but being popular and being capable of your job are two different things.
That is the standard modus operandi of New Labour careerists, determined to stay on message rather than express genuine thoughts or else say nothing worthwhile at all. The laughable thing is that this party and it's reasserted culture of top down control freakery, wants us to believe it will devolve unprecedented power down to regions and local areas if elected, when they won't even trust their own local parties. Real devolution of power from such obvious control freaks is rather unlikely. Pull the other one I say. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 22, 2023 1:18:51 GMT
I'm inferring what Lineker said and probably what he meant as did many people. We all know where that ended up in the 1930's, so it is perfectly logical and reasonable to infer that. He could have used any other source/time/event in history to relay what you believe he said, but unfortunately he chose the most extreme event. Your nasty conclusion is YOUR CHOICE, you certainly do not speak for decent individuals. My "nasty conclusion" is based on sound, reasonable and logical inferencing. Lineker's words had nasty undertones. Many individuals came to the same conclusion. Perhaps your ire should be aimed at Lineker instead. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 22, 2023 5:41:10 GMT
Labour's Lisa Nandy says Lineker was not likening the government to the Nazis... Of course he was. Only a complete idiot would think otherwise. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 22, 2023 7:14:23 GMT
The Tory Rwanda policy is rubbish because: It is doomed to failure because it breaks so many international treaties. They need to work together with other countries and agree quotas and safe routes so that the problem is shared... and of course assess the claims in weeks, not years, so they can get working asap and not be a drain on the tax payer. You've missed the point of the Rwanda plan. It's obviously modelled on the Australian policy that deported their boat people to Papua New Guinea. Whether or not it broke any international laws was irrelevant because they just did it anyway and within weeks the boats stopped coming. Problem solved. The Rwanda plan isn't to send thousands of illegals to Rwanda - that would be expensive and pointless. It relies on breaking the people smugglers model. If the illegals know that they're going to be sent to Rwanda they'll stop coming by boat. |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 22, 2023 11:35:04 GMT
Nandy is local to me, and she is actually a very popular and well respected MP. She (and quite a few in Labour) need to wake up and realise that they need to make arguments with broad appeal, not ones that rely on language designed to cancel different views. Holy shit I can do it, why can't they? lol. The Tory Rwanda policy is rubbish because: It is doomed to failure because it breaks so many international treaties. They need to work together with other countries and agree quotas and safe routes so that the problem is shared... and of course assess the claims in weeks, not years, so they can get working asap and not be a drain on the tax payer. You really need to watch Nandy being interviewed, it's cringeworthy.
She's just like a programmed dog, if they ask her anything outside of what she's programmed to respond to, she just repeats the same thing over and over again, it really infuriates the interviewers, she reads from a script, it's almost impossible for her to answer anything off scrip.
She might be a popular MP, but being popular and being capable of your job are two different things.
That's because of Starmer's "collective responsibility" policy, which we all know means be a mindless robot and do as you are told. It is really sad, because Nandy and Raynor were quite impressive speakers under the loose reigns of Corbyn. |
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