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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 21:15:46 GMT
Makes absolute sense to bigots and overly biased fools, usually from the right-wing of politics. Its their diddums whinge for being kept out of office for thirteen years. Eleven years, maybe less, they followed Tory policy for at least two years, Blurr said that's what he'd do. Blairites clearly don't know their left from their right, which would explain the rather limited vocabulary. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 21:33:15 GMT
I think he faked it. The Iraq War was about lying and deceit. Largely by those who opposed the invasion. An inversion of the truth. All of the lying and deceit came from those championing the invasion, as is obvious to most now. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 21:39:44 GMT
Makes absolute sense to bigots and overly biased fools, usually from the right-wing of politics. It’s their diddums whinge for being kept out of office for thirteen years. There are plenty of people who are neither bigots,right wing nor fools who see Blair for what he is and was. We missed out the easily led as in the 11 years of Thatcher's mismanagement that the easily led repeatedly voted for and would likely have continued to vote for if her own Party hadn't have dumped her. Your post plays the right-wing game of insinuation. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 20, 2023 21:46:19 GMT
There are plenty of people who are neither bigots,right wing nor fools who see Blair for what he is and was. We missed out the easily led as in the 11 years of Thatcher's mismanagement that the easily led repeatedly voted for and would likely have continued to vote for if her own Party hadn't have dumped her. Your post plays the right-wing game of insinuation. No my post shows Blair as continuity thatcher along with a good dose of misplaced religious fervour with a large dollop of please George can I be your deputy in your posse I love playing cowboys with you. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 22:10:39 GMT
Largely by those who opposed the invasion. An inversion of the truth. All of the lying and deceit came from those championing the invasion, as is obvious to most now. Don't be so stupid. 12 years of refusing to comply with UN resolutions requiring Saddam to fully cooperate with UN Inspectors and the Ceasefire agreement. UN Res. 1441. "A final opportunity to comply" and resolve the issue "By all means necessary". Hans Blix complaining about Saddam "playing cat and mouse" with UN Inspectors thus denying the inspectors the opportunity to prove or disprove the presence of WMD. Blix' accusations about unexplained "missing weapons and Chemicals" proved to be true when the Iraq Survey Group in their follow up after the invasion found 50 WMD. All Saddam had to do was to comply with 1441 and there would have been no invasion. Those against the invasion have to come up with a reason why Saddam would not fully comply with the ceasefire agreement. A Ceasefire agreement, a break in hostilities while a peaceful forward agreement is found. One was found but was not adhered to by Saddam, thus the ceasefire was null and void and a state of hostilities still existed. NONE OF THE ABOVE ARE LIES, but all were ignored by those against the invasion. I don't speak for Bush or American lies/exaggerations. But those against the invasion denied the reality of the situation, they lied by deception. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 22:21:27 GMT
There seems to be a desperation among some posters to whitewash Blairs record - perhaps they have been triggered by the 20th Anniversary of the War in Iraq?
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 22:23:56 GMT
We missed out the easily led as in the 11 years of Thatcher's mismanagement that the easily led repeatedly voted for and would likely have continued to vote for if her own Party hadn't have dumped her. Your post plays the right-wing game of insinuation. No my post shows Blair as continuity thatcher along with a good dose of misplaced religious fervour with a large dollop of please George can I be your deputy in your posse I love playing cowboys with you. Blair began making changes in the same year he was elected and continued to make changes year by year. I have no doubt you will be surprised at the number of changes made by Brown in the period 1997 - 2000 if you ever bother to look them up. I suggest you do look them up because it seems clear that you have absolutely no idea of the good NL did in those early days in office. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 22:27:59 GMT
There seems to be a desperation among some posters to whitewash Blairs record - perhaps they have been triggered by the 20th Anniversary of the War in Iraq? You just find it impossible to be objective when it comes to Blair. I must admit it does give me some satisfaction to be able to see just how much it pained you to see the Conservatives held out of office by Blair and NL, for the longest period of time in the history LOL. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 22:33:21 GMT
There seems to be a desperation among some posters to whitewash Blairs record - perhaps they have been triggered by the 20th Anniversary of the War in Iraq? You just find it impossible to be objective when it comes to Blair. I must admit it does give me some satisfaction to be able to see just how much it pained you to see the Conservatives held out of office by Blair and NL, for the longest period of time in the history LOL. I'm glad you derive satisfaction and joy from Blairs time in office - that offsets the million dead. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 20, 2023 22:34:47 GMT
No my post shows Blair as continuity thatcher along with a good dose of misplaced religious fervour with a large dollop of please George can I be your deputy in your posse I love playing cowboys with you. Blair began making changes in the same year he was elected and continued to make changes year by year. I have no doubt you will be surprised at the number of changes made by Brown in the period 1997 - 2000 if you ever bother to look them up. I suggest you do look them up because it seems clear that you have absolutely no idea of the good NL did in those early days in office. I suggest you look around and accept you are in the minority,Blair is Britains most hated politician and that goes across the political spectrum. |
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Post by jeg er on Mar 21, 2023 7:52:12 GMT
yes, but your question has a flaw. what makes you assume that a politician with strong religious beliefs even wants to impose them on society? or that they even can? its not like we even live in that sort of society. rishi sunak and sadiq khan have strong religious beliefs? did you ask the same question of them at the time? so why is your question even relevant when it comes to discussing kate forbes? No it does not, you have the flaw in your thinking when you DISTORT my question in order for you to address your own out of context thinking about my question. My question was put to a poster about a comment he made. Why you choose to distort my question is a problem you should be asking yourself. keep on dodging in the free world |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 8:13:00 GMT
You just find it impossible to be objective when it comes to Blair. I must admit it does give me some satisfaction to be able to see just how much it pained you to see the Conservatives held out of office by Blair and NL, for the longest period of time in the history LOL. I'm glad you derive satisfaction and joy from Blairs time in office - that offsets the million dead. I derive satisfaction from seeing right-wingers whinging all because the Tories were kept out of office by NL for 13 years LOL. Sick individuals always contrive to grab the opportunity to deny the reality, distort the truth and to insinuate lies. Right -wingers in particular are prone to this dishonest behaviour, it appears to be in their DNA. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 21, 2023 8:18:30 GMT
I'm glad you derive satisfaction and joy from Blairs time in office - that offsets the million dead. I derive satisfaction from seeing right-wingers whinging all because the Tories were kept out of office by NL for 13 years LOL. Sick individuals always contrive to grab the opportunity to deny the reality, distort the truth and to insinuate lies. Right -wingers in particular are prone to this dishonest behaviour, it appears to be in their DNA. But don't worry about the million dead - as long as you can stick it to the right-wing... Says it all about the ethics of those on the Left..  |
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Post by see2 on Mar 21, 2023 8:31:21 GMT
Blair began making changes in the same year he was elected and continued to make changes year by year. I have no doubt you will be surprised at the number of changes made by Brown in the period 1997 - 2000 if you ever bother to look them up. I suggest you do look them up because it seems clear that you have absolutely no idea of the good NL did in those early days in office. I suggest you look around and accept you are in the minority,Blair is Britains most hated politician and that goes across the political spectrum. You are obviously an intelligent individual so you must be aware that if you are not well informed on the many positive and successful changes made by Blair in the early years, then you cannot cannot form either well informed opinions or well informed comments on NL. That is plainly obvious. You are probably correct in claiming that I'm in a minority, but I have been pointing out for at least 15 years the repeated insinuated lies about Blair that are believed by so many. The ONLY thing that leaves me in the minority, if that is the case, is that I have no chance of competing with the Tory propaganda machine and the backing it gets from much of the media. You don't need to change your political allegiance but the better informed you become, the more realistic become your posts. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 21, 2023 8:38:26 GMT
I suggest you look around and accept you are in the minority,Blair is Britains most hated politician and that goes across the political spectrum. You are obviously an intelligent individual so you must be aware that if you are not well informed on the many positive and successful changes made by Blair in the early years, then you cannot cannot form either well informed opinions or well informed comments on NL. That is plainly obvious. You are probably correct in claiming that I'm in a minority, but I have been pointing out for at least 15 years the repeated insinuated lies about Blair that are believed by so many. The ONLY thing that leaves me in the minority, if that is the case, is that I have no chance of competing with the Tory propaganda machine and the backing it gets from much of the media. You don't need to change your political allegiance but the better informed you become, the more realistic become your posts. Change my allegiance? I (sadly) voted for Blair and what a mistake I made. Sure there were some improvements but on balance the cons vastly outweighed the pros,the war,lies,corruption and attempts to curtail freedoms. I have no illusions about tories but what you see is what you get unlike Blair. |
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