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Post by wapentake on Mar 20, 2023 19:16:40 GMT
Of course people of faith should have every right to run for and to hold office. I would agree,except you can get someone like him.
He has a messiah complex IMO
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Post by walterpaisley on Mar 20, 2023 19:19:22 GMT
As an atheist (along with a majority on this forum, perhaps..) I have no issue at all with people of ANY faith holding office, so far as they recognise that the office comes first, and the religion is a hobby.
Mayor Khan may be from a Muslim background, but he's probably not much of a practitioner, on the basis of his support for lgbt causes and his initiatives to save London pubs.
At the other end of the scale, Dwight Eisenhower was probably the most religious president America has seen in the last century (he initiated regular White House "prayer breakfasts", after all) - yet he oversaw changes in US social policy (the beginning of the dismantling of Jim Crow Laws, school desegregation, the end of Mccarthyism, etc), that were at odds with the views of many right-wing church leaders.
I can't see that anyone can have anything to fear from either Ms Forbes or Mr Yousaf.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 20:19:46 GMT
Of course people of faith should have every right to run for and to hold office. I would agree,except you can get someone like him.
He has a messiah complex IMO
For sure. But such dangers are not limited to people of faith. All kinds of dubious political figures in the past have managed to command widespread support, some of them far worse than Blair and in no way people of faith. Hitler and Stalin spring immediately to mind. The problem of course lies ultimately at the feet of stupid, gullible, and easily fooled elements amongst electorates which tend to form quite large voting blocs. Denying power to the wholly unsuitable requires constant efforts of persuasion directed at these groups, made all the more difficult by the intellectually challenged nature of some of them who in consequence tend to be more prone to emoting than actual thinking. Under these circumstances, enlightened persuasion against unsuitable people will not always be successful, as the recent electoral successes of Boris Johnson so clearly demonstrate. This is the heavy burden and price we have to pay for democracy, which in spite of this is the least bad system we can imagine. When people vote for crooks, charlatans, liars, sociopaths, fools, or misguided people we all have to suffer the consequences until people turn against them. That is the price of democracy.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 20, 2023 20:29:35 GMT
As an atheist (along with a majority on this forum, perhaps..) I have no issue at all with people of ANY faith holding office, so far as they recognise that the office comes first, and the religion is a hobby. Mayor Khan may be from a Muslim background, but he's probably not much of a practitioner, on the basis of his support for lgbt causes and his initiatives to save London pubs. At the other end of the scale, Dwight Eisenhower was probably the most religious president America has seen in the last century (he initiated regular White House "prayer breakfasts", after all) - yet he oversaw changes in US social policy (the beginning of the dismantling of Jim Crow Laws, school desegregation, the end of Mccarthyism, etc), that were at odds with the views of many right-wing church leaders. I can't see that anyone can have anything to fear from either Ms Forbes or Mr Yousaf. I would tend to agree. We cannot in one breath say we are tolerant and then not tolerate a viewpoint that is slightly different because it is at odds with our current consensus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 20:38:03 GMT
No Primeminister in modern times has done more for gay people than Tony Blair, and that is an absolute fact.
Legislated and created Civil Partnerships, making same sex partners legal and equal in law to traditional marriages, thereby removing hurdles and barriers in such areas as Wills, Inheritence, Pensions and rights after death etc.
Equalised the Age Of Consent making it the same for everyone
What Thatcher did was unforgivable, Section 28 or "Clause 28" actually forbid schools or teachers to teach students about homosexuality, it was a law which basically swept homosexuality under the carpet, pretended that gay people did not exist.
When you consider the numbers of young men who committed suicide because they felt isolated and unable to be who they were, Thatchers Section 28 was evil, nasty and cruel.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 20:44:19 GMT
20 years ago we had the deeply Christian Mr Blair in office. We all know what happened there. I think he faked it. The Iraq War was about lying and deceit. Largely by those who opposed the invasion.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 20, 2023 20:47:13 GMT
No Primeminister in modern times has done more for gay people than Tony Blair, and that is an absolute fact. Legislated and created Civil Partnerships, making same sex partners legal and equal in law to traditional marriages, thereby removing hurdles and barriers in such areas as Wills, Inheritence, Pensions and rights after death etc. Equalised the Age Of Consent making it the same for everyone What Thatcher did was unforgivable, Section 28 or "Clause 28" actually forbid schools or teachers to teach students about homosexuality, it was a law which basically swept homosexuality under the carpet, pretended that gay people did not exist. When you consider the numbers of young men who committed suicide because they felt isolated and unable to be who they were, Thatchers Section 28 was evil, nasty and cruel. Maybe this was the reason: br.ifunny.co/picture/chariies-lynton-was-charged-and-appeared-in-court-at-bow-OINRjtL38
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 20:47:46 GMT
Oh my, the Blairites. God wanted me to invade Iraq was almost as believable as Saddam had loads of WMDs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 20:55:21 GMT
No Primeminister in modern times has done more for gay people than Tony Blair, and that is an absolute fact. Legislated and created Civil Partnerships, making same sex partners legal and equal in law to traditional marriages, thereby removing hurdles and barriers in such areas as Wills, Inheritence, Pensions and rights after death etc. Equalised the Age Of Consent making it the same for everyone What Thatcher did was unforgivable, Section 28 or "Clause 28" actually forbid schools or teachers to teach students about homosexuality, it was a law which basically swept homosexuality under the carpet, pretended that gay people did not exist. When you consider the numbers of young men who committed suicide because they felt isolated and unable to be who they were, Thatchers Section 28 was evil, nasty and cruel. Maybe this was the reason: br.ifunny.co/picture/chariies-lynton-was-charged-and-appeared-in-court-at-bow-OINRjtL38I do recall the intimate love affair he had with Bush Jnr, and how his flock were in bed with the American Hawks. Blair the filthy pervert. It all makes sense now lol.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 20:56:03 GMT
Not me, I put forward a hypothetical question. I asked "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? yes, but your question has a flaw. what makes you assume that a politician with strong religious beliefs even wants to impose them on society? or that they even can? its not like we even live in that sort of society. rishi sunak and sadiq khan have strong religious beliefs? did you ask the same question of them at the time? so why is your question even relevant when it comes to discussing kate forbes? No it does not, you have the flaw in your thinking when you DISTORT my question in order for you to address your own out of context thinking about my question. My question was put to a poster about a comment he made. Why you choose to distort my question is a problem you should be asking yourself.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 21:01:04 GMT
No Primeminister in modern times has done more for gay people than Tony Blair, and that is an absolute fact.
Legislated and created Civil Partnerships, making same sex partners legal and equal in law to traditional marriages, thereby removing hurdles and barriers in such areas as Wills, Inheritence, Pensions and rights after death etc.Equalised the Age Of Consent making it the same for everyone What Thatcher did was unforgivable, Section 28 or "Clause 28" actually forbid schools or teachers to teach students about homosexuality, it was a law which basically swept homosexuality under the carpet, pretended that gay people did not exist. When you consider the numbers of young men who committed suicide because they felt isolated and unable to be who they were, Thatchers Section 28 was evil, nasty and cruel. Well that's possibly one reason why so many bigots hate him.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 21:04:35 GMT
I do recall the intimate love affair he had with Bush Jnr, and how his flock were in bed with the American Hawks. Blair the filthy pervert. It all makes sense now lol. Makes absolute sense to bigots and overly biased fools, usually from the right-wing of politics. Its their diddums whinge for being kept out of office for thirteen years.
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Post by see2 on Mar 20, 2023 21:10:51 GMT
Oh my, the Blairites. God wanted me to invade Iraq was almost as believable as Saddam had loads of WMDs. That was Bush, you really don't need to repeatedly expose your ignorance, it was already obvious. __" George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a senior Palestinian politician in an interview to be broadcast by the BBC later this month.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 20, 2023 21:13:11 GMT
I do recall the intimate love affair he had with Bush Jnr, and how his flock were in bed with the American Hawks. Blair the filthy pervert. It all makes sense now lol. Makes absolute sense to bigots and overly biased fools, usually from the right-wing of politics. Its their diddums whinge for being kept out of office for thirteen years. Eleven years, maybe less, they followed Tory policy for at least two years, Blurr said that's what he'd do.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 20, 2023 21:13:31 GMT
I do recall the intimate love affair he had with Bush Jnr, and how his flock were in bed with the American Hawks. Blair the filthy pervert. It all makes sense now lol. Makes absolute sense to bigots and overly biased fools, usually from the right-wing of politics. It’s their diddums whinge for being kept out of office for thirteen years. There are plenty of people who are neither bigots,right wing nor fools who see Blair for what he is and was.
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