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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 14:11:37 GMT
Of course people of faith should have every right to run for and to hold office. But at the same time it is not unreasonable for potential electors and political pundits to question them on how their faith will influence their stance on particular issues, notably those where adherents to their faith tend to take a particular view or feel strongly. Typical examples of such issues include access to abortion, gay marriage, and religious education in schools, to name but three. If any of these issues matter to us, we have a right to ask where a person of faith stands on them before deciding whether or not to vote for him or her. This is not unreasonable. The same applies to anyone who is an adherent of any group that stands for something, not just a particular faith. For example if someone standing for election as a Labour MP were a member of CND, it would not be unreasonable to ask him or her what their stance on the nuclear deterrent would be if elected. That's the point the SNP candidate Kate Forbes is making.
What she is saying, she's being discriminated against because she is of Christian faith, yet Humza Yousaf is under no such scrutiny being of Muslim faith.
It would be racist if he was grilled about his Muslim faith like she is about her Christian faith, and that is not fair.
Has Humza Yousaf expressed views on based on his religious views on sexual ethics, such as moral opposition to sex before marriage, same-sex marriage, and most abortions...? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 14:17:12 GMT
You may be correct — but the assumptions and comments on Kahn were broadcast, commented on and printed as soon as he reached public notice. Here's a few:
If you mean Humza Yousaf, I've no idea because Scottish politics only interest me where they are likely to impact the business community.
For the bulk of the UK population, public displays of ordinary Christianity seems mostly confined to occasional pictures of the monarch and accompanying royals going to church, and family marriages, christenings and funerals.
Any public commentary on Christian beliefs is likely to be more about Blair, Catholic support for IRA terrorism, Protestant support for "Loyalist" terrorism, wacky views like Glenn Hoddle's on the disabled, etc.
Muslim holders of any public office are routinely likely to be identified as such, and their beliefs commented on even if they are not questioned...
However as your link shows he plays the Muslim card as a positive thing yet the interrogation of the negative aspects of Islam, and lets be honest it has negative aspects in abundance, are rarely put to Khan directly or Yousaf. Correction: As one link shows, it is one commentator's opinion that he is playing the "Muslim card" — I suggest that it is that commentator who's playing that card... |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 20, 2023 14:42:32 GMT
However as your link shows he plays the Muslim card as a positive thing yet the interrogation of the negative aspects of Islam, and lets be honest it has negative aspects in abundance, are rarely put to Khan directly or Yousaf. Correction: As one link shows, it is one commentator's opinion that he is playing the "Muslim card" — I suggest that it is that commentator who's playing that card... The other links are all about how being a Muslim is important to him but not important to anyone else and no questioning on the beliefs as regards Islam. Which of course is the point no question as regards what the Prophet says, and he has already said he accepts the Hadiths or at least some of them. Tim Farron was pursued relentlessly even though he did answer questions directly on gay sex and abortion. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 20, 2023 14:46:58 GMT
That's the point the SNP candidate Kate Forbes is making.
What she is saying, she's being discriminated against because she is of Christian faith, yet Humza Yousaf is under no such scrutiny being of Muslim faith.
It would be racist if he was grilled about his Muslim faith like she is about her Christian faith, and that is not fair.
Has Humza Yousaf expressed views on based on his religious views on sexual ethics, such as moral opposition to sex before marriage, same-sex marriage, and most abortions... Unless one is quizzed repeatedly about it one does not need to express views and there is not continued repeated questions to try and trip him up on his beliefs. Unlike Tim Farron who was questioned repeatedly and at length despite answering the questions. Starmer has been asked what is a woman fewer times. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 15:03:40 GMT
"Unless one is quizzed repeatedly about it one does not need to express views and there is not continued repeated questions to try and trip him up on his beliefs. Unlike Tim Farron who was questioned repeatedly and at length despite answering the questions. Starmer has been asked what is a woman fewer time"
Forbes paraded her religious affiliation and her views — they didn't just appear by accident.
It was only after she stated that Isla Bryson is a "biological male who identifies as a woman", and her religious-based views became increasingly inconvenient, that she thought it best to state: "in a free society you can do what you want"
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 15:14:02 GMT
It's increasingly obvious that the majority of assumed nominally Christian/CofE aspirants to or holders of political or public office are only questioned about their religious beliefs, if they bring attention to it themselves.
Anyone else who doesn't superficially appear Christian/CofE is regarded as fair game for interrogation and speculation...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 16:25:18 GMT
Of course people of faith should have every right to run for and to hold office. But at the same time it is not unreasonable for potential electors and political pundits to question them on how their faith will influence their stance on particular issues, notably those where adherents to their faith tend to take a particular view or feel strongly. Typical examples of such issues include access to abortion, gay marriage, and religious education in schools, to name but three. If any of these issues matter to us, we have a right to ask where a person of faith stands on them before deciding whether or not to vote for him or her. This is not unreasonable. The same applies to anyone who is an adherent of any group that stands for something, not just a particular faith. For example if someone standing for election as a Labour MP were a member of CND, it would not be unreasonable to ask him or her what their stance on the nuclear deterrent would be if elected. That's the point the SNP candidate Kate Forbes is making.
What she is saying, she's being discriminated against because she is of Christian faith, yet Humza Yousaf is under no such scrutiny being of Muslim faith.
It would be racist if he was grilled about his Muslim faith like she is about her Christian faith, and that is not fair.
Essentially I agree. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 20, 2023 16:56:50 GMT
It's increasingly obvious that the majority of assumed nominally Christian/CofE aspirants to or holders of political or public office are only questioned about their religious beliefs, if they bring attention to it themselves. Anyone else who doesn't superficially appear Christian/CofE is regarded as fair game for interrogation and speculation... Yet Muslims who draw attention to their faith as a positive thing as regards their identity are rarely questioned on the aspects of their faith that are at odds with current consensus. I am not saying that Khan is at odds with current consensus I am saying his faith is rarely subject to close scrutiny |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 18:00:25 GMT
It's increasingly obvious that the majority of assumed nominally Christian/CofE aspirants to or holders of political or public office are only questioned about their religious beliefs, if they bring attention to it themselves. Anyone else who doesn't superficially appear Christian/CofE is regarded as fair game for interrogation and speculation... Yet Muslims who draw attention to their faith as a positive thing as regards their identity are rarely questioned on the aspects of their faith that are at odds with current consensus. I am not saying that Khan is at odds with current consensus I am saying his faith is rarely subject to close scrutiny I think it comes down to the fact that Christianity was so well established in this country where churches were in every town and city. Under Woke mindset this makes them institutionally racist. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 20, 2023 18:02:38 GMT
"Unless one is quizzed repeatedly about it one does not need to express views and there is not continued repeated questions to try and trip him up on his beliefs. Unlike Tim Farron who was questioned repeatedly and at length despite answering the questions. Starmer has been asked what is a woman fewer time"
Forbes paraded her religious affiliation and her views — they didn't just appear by accident.
It was only after she stated that Isla Bryson is a "biological male who identifies as a woman", and her religious-based views became increasingly inconvenient, that she thought it best to state: "in a free society you can do what you want"
Yousaf has also declared that Isla Bryson is not a woman. |
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Post by jeg er on Mar 20, 2023 18:10:54 GMT
who says they would seek to impose them upon society? have sadiq khan or rishi sunak done that? Not me, I put forward a hypothetical question. I asked "Would you like to be governed by someone who had very strong religious beliefs and sought to impose them upon society? yes, but your question has a flaw. what makes you assume that a politician with strong religious beliefs even wants to impose them on society? or that they even can? its not like we even live in that sort of society. rishi sunak and sadiq khan have strong religious beliefs? did you ask the same question of them at the time? so why is your question even relevant when it comes to discussing kate forbes? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 18:23:00 GMT
Yet Muslims who draw attention to their faith as a positive thing as regards their identity are rarely questioned on the aspects of their faith that are at odds with current consensus. I am not saying that Khan is at odds with current consensus I am saying his faith is rarely subject to close scrutiny I think it comes down to the fact that Christianity was so well established in this country where churches were in every town and city. Under Woke mindset this makes them institutionally racist. Is at your best b4 comment? Britain is institutionally little better than Iran with its head of state the boss of its established religion, a state church, and places reserved in its legislature for clerics… |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 18:25:09 GMT
It's obviously correct. After all, the COE is possibly the most benign orthodox based religion on Earth, and if we left it to the Woke we'd have the Nation of Islam running around with their Wahhabi mates.
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Post by patman post on Mar 20, 2023 18:36:54 GMT
It's obviously correct. After all, the COE is possibly the most benign orthodox based religion on Earth, and if we left it to the Woke we'd have the Nation of Islam running around with their Wahhabi mates. Is that another best b4-ism? How can the C of E be the most benign orthodox based (whatever that means) religion when, its founder set it up to simply to bed another woman? Don’t you think Jesus Christ (who I believe has more credibility than Mohammed) would have blessed my view more than yours…? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2023 18:53:19 GMT
Easy, no one in the COE is oppressing you or forcing you to do anything. It has become so dynamic that it even blesses gay relations. The door is open and it's up to you to walk through it or not, so any comparison to Iran is rather idiotic. As far as I can tell your view is that Christians should shut up and not bring attention to themselves, and I think the reason for this is obvious. It has nothing to do with anything Jesus may have said or supported, and everything to do with this Woke, multicultural state, which is relentless.
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