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Post by Vinny on Mar 24, 2023 23:13:00 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 24, 2023 23:54:36 GMT
Why is getting involved in a war between two countries , one of which supplies energy, and the other having no particular connection, the right thing?
How interesting that in hindsight, Blair is blamed for involvement in Iraq yet you blame Germany for NOT jumping into what could be a nuclear war.
I have no idea why Boris was so keen to spend tens of millions of pounds on a war that doesnt affect the UK at a time of financial stress other than that he wanted to be seen as Churchill incarnate and a glorious hero. And you fall for the narcissistic liar again.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 25, 2023 0:19:01 GMT
Why is getting involved in a war between two countries , one of which supplies energy, and the other having no particular connection, the right thing? How interesting that in hindsight, Blair is blamed for involvement in Iraq yet you blame Germany for NOT jumping into what could be a nuclear war. I have no idea why Boris was so keen to spend tens of millions of pounds on a war that doesnt affect the UK at a time of financial stress other than that he wanted to be seen as Churchill incarnate and a glorious hero. And you fall for the narcissistic liar again. Some much for European solidarity. More like EU solidarity when it suits.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 25, 2023 2:41:39 GMT
Why is getting involved in a war between two countries , one of which supplies energy, and the other having no particular connection, the right thing? How interesting that in hindsight, Blair is blamed for involvement in Iraq yet you blame Germany for NOT jumping into what could be a nuclear war. I have no idea why Boris was so keen to spend tens of millions of pounds on a war that doesnt affect the UK at a time of financial stress other than that he wanted to be seen as Churchill incarnate and a glorious hero. And you fall for the narcissistic liar again. Some much for European solidarity. More like EU solidarity when it suits. No such thing as EU solidarity. Never was. Germany and France are the powerhouse of the EU, the others cling on. That is of course, apart from Great Britain, we have once again shown the world that we are not prepared to be governed from Belgium. Europeans have acquiesced to an unelected and secretive bureaucracy who govern with no mandate from behind closed doors. Over may years they slowly and without knowing it, gave up their sovereign rights. Thank god for Great Britain, and I say Great Britain rather than the UK because the stinking poxy low life scum called the EU, are still hanging onto Northern Ireland in the hope that loyalists kick off so they can say, it's all because of Brexit.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 25, 2023 5:33:43 GMT
Why is getting involved in a war between two countries , one of which supplies energy, and the other having no particular connection, the right thing? How interesting that in hindsight, Blair is blamed for involvement in Iraq yet you blame Germany for NOT jumping into what could be a nuclear war. I have no idea why Boris was so keen to spend tens of millions of pounds on a war that doesnt affect the UK at a time of financial stress other than that he wanted to be seen as Churchill incarnate and a glorious hero. And you fall for the narcissistic liar again. Some much for European solidarity. More like EU solidarity when it suits. Glad I have this individual on iggy, got a really malicious and quite unhinged message from them last month. And now it turns out they're more interested in buying gas from Russia than supporting an invaded nation which wants close ties to the EU, including the possibility of membership. What an appalling post she made. Going by her argument, if she'd been in charge in 1939, she'd have hung Poland out to dry and let Hitler rampage across Europe because 'its not our war and think of the economy'. Disgusting.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 25, 2023 6:40:49 GMT
Some much for European solidarity. More like EU solidarity when it suits. No such thing as EU solidarity. Never was. Germany and France are the powerhouse of the EU, the others cling on. That is of course, apart from Great Britain, we have once again shown the world that we are not prepared to be governed from Belgium. Europeans have acquiesced to an unelected and secretive bureaucracy who govern with no mandate from behind closed doors. Over may years they slowly and without knowing it, gave up their sovereign rights. Thank god for Great Britain, and I say Great Britain rather than the UK because the stinking poxy low life scum called the EU, are still hanging onto Northern Ireland in the hope that loyalists kick off so they can say, it's all because of Brexit. I have never heard such nonsense concocted by conspiracy theories as that. Listen mister. THE EU HAS NO MANDATE, LEGAL WAY OR PERMISSION TO TOUCH NATIONAL DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR MILITARY DECISIONS. Got it? BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOVEREIGN DECISIONS. THE EU HAS NO MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF ITS OWN. There is no military solidarity by design. You are damning the continent for not doing something it cannot legally do. As for closed doors, open the Europa pages on your computer. Search and find transcripts of debates, committee meetings, which party voted for what, upcoming issues, an opportunity to send an email to MEP's and budget issues. I have no doubt the EU has not been perfect but your ignorance should be deleted.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 25, 2023 6:46:10 GMT
Some much for European solidarity. More like EU solidarity when it suits. Glad I have this individual on iggy, got a really malicious and quite unhinged message from them last month. And now it turns out they're more interested in buying gas from Russia than supporting an invaded nation which wants close ties to the EU, including the possibility of membership. What an appalling post she made. Going by her argument, if she'd been in charge in 1939, she'd have hung Poland out to dry and let Hitler rampage across Europe because 'its not our war and think of the economy'. Disgusting. This is not 1939. This is a very different world. And I have never messaged you. You are lying again. If European countries militarily supported every country that wants to join the EU it would be bankrupt. And WTF is "iggy"? Grow up.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 25, 2023 8:25:53 GMT
The two above posts are hidden. Thank goodness for the iggy button.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 25, 2023 11:01:13 GMT
I posted this into a new thread yet no takes though arguably it belongs here.
Recall Rutte of the Netherlands said he would never allow the Dutch to vote on the EU saying they might vote to leave.
Well how things change as the EU gets more dictatorial:
'Farmers party' becomes the largest party -
The BBB has registered as a political party for next year’s European Parliament elections as it seeks to build on its national success, which saw it victorious in urban and rural areas.
The populist movement does not want the Netherlands to leave the EU in a Brexit-style divorce but it says the bloc should be a common market and not a super-state.
uk.yahoo.com/news/dutch-farmers-collision-course-brussels-121404370.html
Also they recognise that immigration is a major problem.
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2023 15:29:26 GMT
An advance from clicking...
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Post by sandypine on Mar 25, 2023 21:50:32 GMT
No such thing as EU solidarity. Never was. Germany and France are the powerhouse of the EU, the others cling on. That is of course, apart from Great Britain, we have once again shown the world that we are not prepared to be governed from Belgium. Europeans have acquiesced to an unelected and secretive bureaucracy who govern with no mandate from behind closed doors. Over may years they slowly and without knowing it, gave up their sovereign rights. Thank god for Great Britain, and I say Great Britain rather than the UK because the stinking poxy low life scum called the EU, are still hanging onto Northern Ireland in the hope that loyalists kick off so they can say, it's all because of Brexit. I have never heard such nonsense concocted by conspiracy theories as that. Listen mister. THE EU HAS NO MANDATE, LEGAL WAY OR PERMISSION TO TOUCH NATIONAL DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR MILITARY DECISIONS. Got it? BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOVEREIGN DECISIONS. THE EU HAS NO MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF ITS OWN. There is no military solidarity by design. You are damning the continent for not doing something it cannot legally do. As for closed doors, open the Europa pages on your computer. Search and find transcripts of debates, committee meetings, which party voted for what, upcoming issues, an opportunity to send an email to MEP's and budget issues. I have no doubt the EU has not been perfect but your ignorance should be deleted. Why does the EU have a High representative for foreign affairs and security? I would have though there must be some areas of overlap or impingement at least. It is also considering a rapid deployment force which will be under EU control. When the RN patrolled the fisheries it did so under the auspices of EU officialdom not HM government. The EU may not have forces or equipment of its own but it has in place procedures whereby they can utilise the forces of its members
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 25, 2023 22:31:32 GMT
I have never heard such nonsense concocted by conspiracy theories as that. Listen mister. THE EU HAS NO MANDATE, LEGAL WAY OR PERMISSION TO TOUCH NATIONAL DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR MILITARY DECISIONS. Got it? BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOVEREIGN DECISIONS. THE EU HAS NO MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF ITS OWN. There is no military solidarity by design. You are damning the continent for not doing something it cannot legally do. As for closed doors, open the Europa pages on your computer. Search and find transcripts of debates, committee meetings, which party voted for what, upcoming issues, an opportunity to send an email to MEP's and budget issues. I have no doubt the EU has not been perfect but your ignorance should be deleted. Why does the EU have a High representative for foreign affairs and security? I would have though there must be some areas of overlap or impingement at least. It is also considering a rapid deployment force which will be under EU control. When the RN patrolled the fisheries it did so under the auspices of EU officialdom not HM government. The EU may not have forces or equipment of its own but it has in place procedures whereby they can utilise the forces of its members The foreign affairs has to do with sanctions and making trade deals. The borders of the EU are protected by Frontex. Look it up. Individual response to aggression is dealt with by individual membership of NATO. Not the EU. It seems to me that there is a sort of hallucinatory image of the EU as a national power in its own right. That those in here cant grasp the concept of a democratic alliance or the restrictions of EU power which is carefully contained by its own members. The Uk assumes other countries dont care about their sovereignty. But they do and understand the alliance they make with the EU as an ECONOMIC benefit for their OWN SOVEREIGN countries. What Germany or Lithuania or Poland does with its military is their own business. The EU has no voice in it. What sympathies that drive those decisions is a western instinct against Russia and against Muslims. Kneejerk historical and cultural reactions driving for example the migration choices each country makes. I personally detest what Putin has done. But if you wany to discuss response, you must do it in a reference to individual countries and NOT to the EU which has no ability itself to respond militarily. Certainly to express the agreed collective opinion, but it cannot generate equipment or troops itself. That is under national control. My personal opinion is that the west moves to negate anything Russian and anything Muslim. These are the two adversaries born of cultural and economic differences, and bad decisions that stirred the old Ottoman Empiric/ WW1 feelings of religious and social divide that still vibrate today. By my cultural experience and sculpture by the Cold War I always respond to Russia as the enemy. And while I see extremist Islam as a blasphemy, I also know that other Muslims agree. These culture wars are deeply incised in Western values and the desire to simplify our responses to pressure from those we have been conditioned to call "them" and I am happy to join the army of western values. But please stop using the EU as your handy whipping boy. The military decisions taken are NATIONAL. By law.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 5:41:44 GMT
Why does the EU have a High representative for foreign affairs and security? I would have though there must be some areas of overlap or impingement at least. It is also considering a rapid deployment force which will be under EU control. When the RN patrolled the fisheries it did so under the auspices of EU officialdom not HM government. The EU may not have forces or equipment of its own but it has in place procedures whereby they can utilise the forces of its members The foreign affairs has to do with sanctions and making trade deals. The borders of the EU are protected by Frontex. Look it up. Individual response to aggression is dealt with by individual membership of NATO. Not the EU. It seems to me that there is a sort of hallucinatory image of the EU as a national power in its own right. That those in here cant grasp the concept of a democratic alliance or the restrictions of EU power which is carefully contained by its own members. The Uk assumes other countries dont care about their sovereignty. But they do and understand the alliance they make with the EU as an ECONOMIC benefit for their OWN SOVEREIGN countries. What Germany or Lithuania or Poland does with its military is their own business. The EU has no voice in it. What sympathies that drive those decisions is a western instinct against Russia and against Muslims. Kneejerk historical and cultural reactions driving for example the migration choices each country makes. I personally detest what Putin has done. But if you wany to discuss response, you must do it in a reference to individual countries and NOT to the EU which has no ability itself to respond militarily. Certainly to express the agreed collective opinion, but it cannot generate equipment or troops itself. That is under national control. My personal opinion is that the west moves to negate anything Russian and anything Muslim. These are the two adversaries born of cultural and economic differences, and bad decisions that stirred the old Ottoman Empiric/ WW1 feelings of religious and social divide that still vibrate today. By my cultural experience and sculpture by the Cold War I always respond to Russia as the enemy. And while I see extremist Islam as a blasphemy, I also know that other Muslims agree. These culture wars are deeply incised in Western values and the desire to simplify our responses to pressure from those we have been conditioned to call "them" and I am happy to join the army of western values. But please stop using the EU as your handy whipping boy. The military decisions taken are NATIONAL. By law. lol
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 27, 2023 10:07:43 GMT
No such thing as EU solidarity. Never was. Germany and France are the powerhouse of the EU, the others cling on. That is of course, apart from Great Britain, we have once again shown the world that we are not prepared to be governed from Belgium. Europeans have acquiesced to an unelected and secretive bureaucracy who govern with no mandate from behind closed doors. Over may years they slowly and without knowing it, gave up their sovereign rights. Thank god for Great Britain, and I say Great Britain rather than the UK because the stinking poxy low life scum called the EU, are still hanging onto Northern Ireland in the hope that loyalists kick off so they can say, it's all because of Brexit. I have never heard such nonsense concocted by conspiracy theories as that. Listen mister. THE EU HAS NO MANDATE, LEGAL WAY OR PERMISSION TO TOUCH NATIONAL DECISIONS ABOUT THEIR MILITARY DECISIONS. Got it? BECAUSE THOSE ARE SOVEREIGN DECISIONS. THE EU HAS NO MILITARY EQUIPMENT OF ITS OWN. There is no military solidarity by design. You are damning the continent for not doing something it cannot legally do. As for closed doors, open the Europa pages on your computer. Search and find transcripts of debates, committee meetings, which party voted for what, upcoming issues, an opportunity to send an email to MEP's and budget issues. I have no doubt the EU has not been perfect but your ignorance should be deleted. 'Listen Mister' LOL, when I read that I briefly saw an image of Lauren Bacall standing in a dimly lit doorway slowly exhaling a long stream of cigarette smoke, as she dissed Humphry Bogart. However, back to reality. The bottom line is, the EU was imposed. The electorates of very few countries were asked if they wanted it, and as you know the few that were asked and voted against, were made to vote again. It is also perfectly clear [See EU Communities Act, Lisbon Treaty] that EU member states are not sovereign. Member states cede sovereignty to the EU. Also, something else that should get you going lol, the EU parliament is like no parliament anywhere in the world, whoever heard of a parliament that had no power to propose legislation? The EU parliament is a facade designed to give the impression of openness and democracy. But in reality the people with the power, the unelected commissioners, are completely insulated from any form of electoral scrutiny.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 27, 2023 11:40:23 GMT
Either you are trolling or you live in a box. Frankly if I gave you the truth you wouldnt acknowledge it so I cant be bothered and have to write you off as hopeless. Happily a growing majority of the British have realised the difference between lies and the truth. Unfortunately a small number are not capable of doing that.
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