The EU's moral claim to exist has collapsed.

We seem to always call Munich to mind when considering appeasement, and that was scarcely good for a year.  The Americans missed that one, and their defining experience of the policy was Yalta, which worked for rather longer.  A less bellicose response to the current situation would seem more rational from their point of view.

I have no idea what you are talking about.
Certainly the OP.

Tell you what. Instead of complaining about Germany and France, why not complain about why Japan doesnt get involved...they are far closer to Russia than Germany or France. Or China ehich sits back and does nothing. Germany and France are long term members of NATO which is what NATO is supposed to do. Why be a member of NATO and pay to do the job yourself.
If you stand back and stop poking fingers, this war in fact has norhing to do with France or Germany. Ukraine is neither in rhe EU or NATO. The only reason everyone is shouting is because the aggressor is Russia. It is about geopolitics, and far less about national borders.

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And a word of advice.
Stop making a fool of yourself and find out what powers the EU has and what it never interferes with.
I am getting fed up with those who dont have a clue and who criticise the EU without knowing the fundamental facts.

www.statista.com/chart/27278/military-aid-to-ukraine-by-country/

And why is the US so involved?
Because Ukraine is the new east west battleground for global domination that fuelled the Cold War and kept an adversarial approach begun at the end of WW2.


If Brazil had invaded Uruguay, noone would open one eye. Territorial wars have riddled Africa...no one gives a gnat's fart.

This is the latest extension of the eternal northern hemisphere's conflict of philosophy, culture and fundamental social attitudes.

As far as I am concerned, I am not concerned. It's like watching two of your neighbours having a dispute. You might indicate which one you have sympathy with but I wouldnt break into my piggy bank for either of them.


As for Boris, he was always ready to splash the cash and follow the US like puppy. Tony Blair did the same and today he is not appreciated for it.

I had to do a training course for the Starfighter in the 80's - actually a pretty good jet.

Money and power is everything to these people, they care not a jot for us.

The European Union does not "shape shift", it has been evolving from the time that the concept of a united Europe was first proposed in the aftermath of the most destructive war Europe has ever seen, and endorsed by Sir Winston Churchill.

The core principles and values of the EU and its aims are to be found in the Schuman Declaration of 1950

Europe as a political entity works, and it works very well, despite differences from time to time amongst member states.
It is the worlds most sucessful economic block, where members large or small have equal and free access to a market of half a billion people.

It now has its own currency, a central bank, the Euro is the worlds second reserve currency after the US Dollar, the EU is an economic Super Power, with clout, leverage, a voice to be reckoned with, in a strong negotiating position.

Co-operation and harmonisation is in every sphere, from physics and atomic energy to airospace and medicines, animal welfare, food safety, defence, car production, bio-safety, workers rights, all across the continent, a level playing field, a single market.

Germany has made a SIGNIFICANT contribution to Ukraine's war effort, not only by been one of the first countries to offer Leopard II Tanks ( the model of tank that Ukraine specifically requested ), but also by giving permission to 15 other countries who have the Tank, to donate them to Ukraine if they so wish, and some have done.

Germany has also sent Air Defence Systems, including the Iris-T, which can destroy an incoming missile at an altitude of 20km. 

The EU as an entity, and as individual donating nations have sent more than double the amount of military hardware to Ukraine than the UK has, but this is not a competition, we are all working together for a just cause. 

The European Union, does not work.
Everything it needs to be, it isn't.
What it is, is a cathedral of anarcho capitalism.
There is such a thing as going too far.

Germany supported Putin when he was bombing the fuck out of Chechnya, pressed on with the insane Nordstream projects whilst decommissioning coal.
Many member states of the EU including ourselves, when we were in it, had governments which appeased a war mongering bully.
Corrupt Russian money flowed into the UK in the Blair era.
A Russian refugee was murdered, nothing was done about Putin, by the UK or other EU members, or the EU itself.
2008, Georgia was invaded. Nothing happened in response.

Then in 2009 Sergei Magnitsky was murdered for exposing corruption. Nothing. Corrupt money continued to flow.

2014 Ukraine was attacked. Still nothing.

2022, too little too late.

The EU is shit.

And we were too slow to act as well.