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Post by oracle75 on Mar 25, 2023 22:38:20 GMT
Civilised? Or an easily controlled pushover? I see your idea of civilised is leaving shit tips in street(s) above and burning buildings. Says a lot about you. Your simplistic transference of ultra right and ultra left disturbance to my personal opinion of the issue, totally unknown to you, tells me a lot about your antagonistic approach to things you dont fully understand. When the tabloids show a deeper understanding than yours, I know your remarks are...unremarkable.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2023 0:39:19 GMT
I see your idea of civilised is leaving shit tips in street(s) above and burning buildings. Says a lot about you. Your simplistic transference of ultra right and ultra left disturbance to my personal opinion of the issue, totally unknown to you, tells me a lot about your antagonistic approach to things you dont fully understand. When the tabloids show a deeper understanding than yours, I know your remarks are...unremarkable. The image I posted in my post lead you to question whether the British were more civilised or indeed pushovers which you eluded to. I could I only conclude you believe this to be either civilised behaviour, or the French not being pushovers. Perhaps before, launching your gnarly stones at Brexit Britain all the time, and where ever you can (I can see Britain's decision to leave the EU has affected you by your posts), think about the glass house upon where you sit before your antagonistic stone throwing begins.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 26, 2023 5:40:13 GMT
I see your idea of civilised is leaving shit tips in street(s) above and burning buildings. Says a lot about you. Your simplistic transference of ultra right and ultra left disturbance to my personal opinion of the issue, totally unknown to you, tells me a lot about your antagonistic approach to things you dont fully understand. When the tabloids show a deeper understanding than yours, I know your remarks are...unremarkable. Don't make me laugh, you've been antagonising over BREXIT for as long as you've disgraced this and other boards.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 26, 2023 7:54:57 GMT
Your simplistic transference of ultra right and ultra left disturbance to my personal opinion of the issue, totally unknown to you, tells me a lot about your antagonistic approach to things you dont fully understand. When the tabloids show a deeper understanding than yours, I know your remarks are...unremarkable. The image I posted in my post lead you to question whether the British were more civilised or indeed pushovers which you eluded to. I could I only conclude you believe this to be either civilised behaviour, or the French not being pushovers. Perhaps before, launching your gnarly stones at Brexit Britain all the time, and where ever you can (I can see Britain's decision to leave the EU has affected you by your posts), think about the glass house upon where you sit before your antagonistic stone throwing begins. Any questions I asked about the different ways the people relate to the state have been the subject of many media discussions this week. I am merely asking the same questions in here. In order to criticise the violence in France you need to better understand the French character, history and politics. The demonstrations in Paris began peacefully. The violence came from far right and left excuses to use violence. The same as the Gilets Jaunes whose actions, by the way, did force the government to change tack. The real target is Macron, a centrist and therefore target for both ends of the political spectrun. The French psyche is far more tilted towards challenging those with power than in the UK where cap doffing is still the usual reaction. French people are constantly reminding power that when push comes to shove, as it sometimes does, it is the people who rule. The state retirement age is the result of many long negotiations and people dont like their "progress" being eroded 8n such a manner. And as usual, peaceful protest gets hijacked by pilitical extremists. Of course I think violence of any kind is reprehensible. I recoil at any extremism but support the right to express dissatisfaction at government policy. And the French are incredulous that forcexample so much corruption happened during Covid in the UK and no one is out in the streets protesting. I also think the French police are too physically brutal. To judge another country by your own cultural and historical measures is a huge mistake. For better or worse, French people are not Anglo Saxon. Nor do they have the same history or expectation of the people vs. the state. To make any reasonable judgement, you should understand this and judge from THEIR perspective. Otherwise your argument stops at "well I wouldnt do that" which is pointless.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 26, 2023 8:08:05 GMT
Found another lol "Now we see why Macron didn’t want to give tanks to Ukraine - he needs them to quell his own people!" Hahaha!! He's utterly useless.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2023 8:38:58 GMT
The image I posted in my post lead you to question whether the British were more civilised or indeed pushovers which you eluded to. I could I only conclude you believe this to be either civilised behaviour, or the French not being pushovers. Perhaps before, launching your gnarly stones at Brexit Britain all the time, and where ever you can (I can see Britain's decision to leave the EU has affected you by your posts), think about the glass house upon where you sit before your antagonistic stone throwing begins. Any questions I asked about the different ways the people relate to the state have been the subject of many media discussions this week. I am merely asking the same questions in here. In order to criticise the violence in France you need to better understand the French character, history and politics. The demonstrations in Paris began peacefully. The violence came from far right and left excuses to use violence. The same as the Gilets Jaunes whose actions, by the way, did force the government to change tack. The real target is Macron, a centrist and therefore target for both ends of the political spectrun. The French psyche is far more tilted towards challenging those with power than in the UK where cap doffing is still the usual reaction. French people are constantly reminding power that when push comes to shove, as it sometimes does, it is the people who rule. The state retirement age is the result of many long negotiations and people dont like their "progress" being eroded 8n such a manner. And as usual, peaceful protest gets hijacked by pilitical extremists. Of course I think violence of any kind is reprehensible. I recoil at any extremism but support the right to express dissatisfaction at government policy. And the French are incredulous that forcexample so much corruption happened during Covid in the UK and no one is out in the streets protesting. I also think the French police are too physically brutal. To judge another country by your own cultural and historical measures is a huge mistake. For better or worse, French people are not Anglo Saxon. Nor do they have the same history or expectation of the people vs. the state. To make any reasonable judgement, you should understand this and judge from THEIR perspective. Otherwise your argument stops at "well I wouldnt do that" which is pointless. I understand their perspective - and I think of a quote from Thatcher when I see the French protest "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.” They revolt over something many Europeans don't have the luxury of: retiring at 62. They are part of a globalist system now, with Macron as the head of state who is devoted to that doctrine - they voted him. Best they get used to it. I also judge them from my morals, and I'm entitled to do that.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 26, 2023 9:22:25 GMT
But you have completely ignored my efforts to explain to you some of the aspects that make the French French and the important role of the political extremes in the streets.
Your opinion is of course rooted in your culture but for a valuable assessment, it is important to see a country in the context of theirs.
Here in Strasbourg there is a different attitude to places like Toulouse because of its historical relationship with Germany. Central France is very different than Brittany which itself is different to Normandy, just next door. Nevertheless the vast majority of France lives peacefully and are as distressed about violence as I am, whatever their opinion of the government.
But in general, if the people are unhappy with the state, they make it clear and dont grumble until the next election. UK government would never be tolerated in France. Whether you approve of this balance of power is your opinion. I prefer the French voice. But not the opportunist extremists who hijack real issues.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2023 10:16:22 GMT
But you have completely ignored my efforts to explain to you some of the aspects that make the French French and the important role of the political extremes in the streets. Your opinion is of course rooted in your culture but for a valuable assessment, it is important to see a country in the context of theirs. Here in Strasbourg there is a different attitude to places like Toulouse because of its historical relationship with Germany. Central France is very different than Brittany which itself is different to Normandy, just next door. Nevertheless the vast majority of France lives peacefully and are as distressed about violence as I am, whatever their opinion of the government. But in general, if the people are unhappy with the state, they make it clear and dont grumble until the next election. UK government would never be tolerated in France. Whether you approve of this balance of power is your opinion. I prefer the French voice. But not the opportunist extremists who hijack real issues. I don't care what makes the French French, I know what appropriate behaviour is. I also know that France cannot carry on with its welfare system being such an expensive burden. The French culture as you put it, is decades behind, rooted in a socialist culture of entitlement. The British know first hand how militantly these people behave especially British fisherman. Their abhorrent behaviour doesn't excuse them to hide behind a cultural difference like you are trying to do for them here.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 26, 2023 12:45:42 GMT
The King's State visit to France next week now called off - apparently the French are having some security issues.. Charles is 74 and still doing his duties. Macron didn't want to enrage the French anymore than he already has. According to the Media Macron called off the Kings visit , way things are going Macron will need every Police Officer he has got to deal with the rioters , the French really enjoy their riots
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 26, 2023 18:11:23 GMT
But you have completely ignored my efforts to explain to you some of the aspects that make the French French and the important role of the political extremes in the streets. Your opinion is of course rooted in your culture but for a valuable assessment, it is important to see a country in the context of theirs. Here in Strasbourg there is a different attitude to places like Toulouse because of its historical relationship with Germany. Central France is very different than Brittany which itself is different to Normandy, just next door. Nevertheless the vast majority of France lives peacefully and are as distressed about violence as I am, whatever their opinion of the government. But in general, if the people are unhappy with the state, they make it clear and dont grumble until the next election. UK government would never be tolerated in France. Whether you approve of this balance of power is your opinion. I prefer the French voice. But not the opportunist extremists who hijack real issues. I don't care what makes the French French, I know what appropriate behaviour is. I also know that France cannot carry on with its welfare system being such an expensive burden. The French culture as you put it, is decades behind, rooted in a socialist culture of entitlement. The British know first hand how militantly these people behave especially British fisherman. Their abhorrent behaviour doesn't excuse them to hide behind a cultural difference like you are trying to do for them here. The idea of socialist entitlement is an oxymoron. It dowsnt exist. If you dont care why someone behaves as they do, you arent here to discuss. You are here to argue. In fact I am starting to think you are just one of the worst who do the same. My husband is in palliative care and I dont need pointless stress. This was an amusement but people like you just depress me.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 26, 2023 21:22:11 GMT
I don't care what makes the French French, I know what appropriate behaviour is. I also know that France cannot carry on with its welfare system being such an expensive burden. The French culture as you put it, is decades behind, rooted in a socialist culture of entitlement. The British know first hand how militantly these people behave especially British fisherman. Their abhorrent behaviour doesn't excuse them to hide behind a cultural difference like you are trying to do for them here. The idea of socialist entitlement is an oxymoron. It dowsnt exist. If you dont care why someone behaves as they do, you arent here to discuss. You are here to argue. In fact I am starting to think you are just one of the worst who do the same. My husband is in palliative care and I dont need pointless stress. This was an amusement but people like you just depress me. The only thing that has clearly depressed you is Brexit. Take a break if life is that stressful.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 26, 2023 22:05:18 GMT
OK. You are ignored.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 27, 2023 0:23:39 GMT
Charles is 74 and still doing his duties. Macron didn't want to enrage the French anymore than he already has. According to the Media Macron called off the Kings visit , way things are going Macron will need every Police Officer he has got to deal with the rioters , the French really enjoy their riots Why get excited? The Frogs are always setting their cities on fire in protest of something.
Keep calm and carry on: Unfazed French diners enjoy glass of wine with fires still burning in the background as violent protests over pensions rage across the country Diners enjoyed wine at Place de la Victoire as fires raged in the Bordeaux streets Violence broke out across France last week in opposition to pension reform bill
Diners shared a romantic glass of wine by the fire as demonstrators rallied across France in protest over President Emmanuel Macron's pension reform.
A video posted on TikTok shows couples dining at Place de la Victoire, in the southern wine-growing region of Bordeaux on Thursday, as rioters set fires in the streets.
The diners, chatting away and scrolling on their mobile phones, seem unfazed by the violence erupting near the restaurant.
Video shared with MailOnline shows couples dinning at Place de la Victoire, in the southern
wine-growing region of Bordeaux on Thursday, as rioters set fires in the streets
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Post by Toreador on Mar 27, 2023 5:30:56 GMT
Apart from correcting you, so are you most of the time.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 6, 2023 16:25:53 GMT
I see it's all kicking off in the EU state of France, again. Just watched the riot police battering the fuck out of rioters as rocks & stones come flying at them, the usual bins on fire, I saw at least one cafe on fire. And where's Macron? On a Chinese jolly, lol.
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