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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2023 17:59:47 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Well I am very proud to declare that I was one of those people who helped to bring Maggie down, because I was involved with the campaign against the Poll Tax. Since the privatisation of British Telecom, British Gas, our Electricity Boards, Water, Trains and Buses, the service is considerably worse. No one ever answers a telephone, and instead we spend hours listening to music with the occassional voice which states "your call is important to us" ( which is a lie, because if it was important to them, they would answer ), and if you do eventually get through, you can hardly understand what they are saying because its English with a Mumbai accent. They said prices would be cheaper because of privatisation ( theres a laugh ), but instead the directors and shareholders in France are laughing all the way to the bank. Here in the North of England, planning a journey by train is a bit like a One Armed Bandit, the train MIGHT turn up, and you might be lucky, but its as likely it wont, or the train does turn up but only takes you half way to the destination because of "staffing issues" ( everyone OFF and hop on the bus ). Our Gas and Electricity companies were For The People, it was "Service" first and "Service" last, profits helped to keep a huge network of high street shops in our towns, an access point to YOUR local electric or gas board, where you could buy a torch or a cooker, pay your bill, report a fault, or talk to Mary or Jack behind the desk. EVERYTHING that has been privatised provides a worse, more expensive service, and a service where no one cares or gives a damn. If only we had had a Labour Government for 13 years... |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 18, 2023 8:41:53 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Ah. That is why taking the train in the UK has been so easy...the unions are "smashed"!! Macron was REelected. Sounds like support to me. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 18, 2023 9:04:21 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Ah. That is why taking the train in the UK has been so easy...the unions are "smashed"!! Macron was REelected. Sounds like support to me. Doesn't sound like support when Macron's government is weakened without a majority so much so, that he chooses the anti-democratic route to push through pension reform. With Macron's unilateral move likely to push motions of no-confidence in his governance. They're burning effigy's of him on the streets of Paris. That doesn't look like support to me, quite the opposite in fact. |
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Post by piglet on Mar 18, 2023 14:02:24 GMT
I admit privatisation hasnt always worked, but can i remind you of the horrors of Labour? Dead not buried, rubbish roof hign, everyone on strike. When a party is elected it should have the power to govern, end of.
Privatisation means we dont have murderous overheads, like pensions, infrastructure etc.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2023 14:08:34 GMT
Imo in a parallel universe where Thatchers privatisation never occurred the utilities would be much the same as the NHS . Probably worse.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 19, 2023 7:10:56 GMT
Ah. That is why taking the train in the UK has been so easy...the unions are "smashed"!! Macron was REelected. Sounds like support to me. Doesn't sound like support when Macron's government is weakened without a majority so much so, that he chooses the anti-democratic route to push through pension reform. With Macron's unilateral move likely to push motions of no-confidence in his governance. They're burning effigy's of him on the streets of Paris. That doesn't look like support to me, quite the opposite in fact. And what do you know of the French attitude to work life balance. The work longer hours than anglo saxons, do not expect foreign holidays but stay far more often closer to home, dont expect new furniture or expensive gifts every year but DO treasure time spent with family. Instead of childcare issues, grandparents aunts and uncles look after small children. This was in Macrons manifesto. He was elected to do this. It has been debated for years. It will happen and there will be some other issue to demonstrate against. The French people dont so disgruntled diacussion groups. They get out there and use their democratic freedom of assembly and speech...be careful. The UK government is going after those too...it wants silent demonstrations and restricted assembly. And while you are talking rubbish about another country you dont understand, the UK government is cutting the British people out of democratic rights right under your noses. How many times have the people of the UK voiced an opinion about their rising retirement age? As for popularity of the sittng governmwnt and PM, having 4 in 12 years is no indication of popularity. Lets wait for the UK's next general election to see how popular it is. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 19, 2023 10:26:02 GMT
Doesn't sound like support when Macron's government is weakened without a majority so much so, that he chooses the anti-democratic route to push through pension reform. With Macron's unilateral move likely to push motions of no-confidence in his governance. They're burning effigy's of him on the streets of Paris. That doesn't look like support to me, quite the opposite in fact. And what do you know of the French attitude to work life balance. The work longer hours than anglo saxons, do not expect foreign holidays but stay far more often closer to home, dont expect new furniture or expensive gifts every year but DO treasure time spent with family. Instead of childcare issues, grandparents aunts and uncles look after small children. This was in Macrons manifesto. He was elected to do this. It has been debated for years. It will happen and there will be some other issue to demonstrate against. The French people dont so disgruntled diacussion groups. They get out there and use their democratic freedom of assembly and speech...be careful. The UK government is going after those too...it wants silent demonstrations and restricted assembly. And while you are talking rubbish about another country you dont understand, the UK government is cutting the British people out of democratic rights right under your noses. How many times have the people of the UK voiced an opinion about their rising retirement age? As for popularity of the sittng governmwnt and PM, having 4 in 12 years is no indication of popularity. Lets wait for the UK's next general election to see how popular it is. Sorry, the only one talking rubbish about another country is you. I don't see support in France for his undemocratic decision to use article 49.3 to bypass parliament. The rest of your post about work life balance is waffle. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 10:27:21 GMT
I admit privatisation hasnt always worked, but can i remind you of the horrors of Labour? Dead not buried, rubbish roof hign, everyone on strike. When a party is elected it should have the power to govern, end of. Privatisation means we dont have murderous overheads, like pensions, infrastructure etc. Nothing what so ever to do with Labour, or the Callaghan government This is to be laid very fairly and squarely at the feet of Militant Trade Unions, many of whom asked for ridiculous inflation busting pay rises. The unions actions in the Winter of 1978 and 1979 ( The Winter of Discontent ) destroyed Jim Callaghans plans against inflation, and THEY ( the unions ) are responsible for handing the 1979 general election on a silver platter to the Conservatives, they dug their own graves. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 19, 2023 10:32:07 GMT
And what do you know of the French attitude to work life balance. The work longer hours than anglo saxons, do not expect foreign holidays but stay far more often closer to home, dont expect new furniture or expensive gifts every year but DO treasure time spent with family. Instead of childcare issues, grandparents aunts and uncles look after small children. This was in Macrons manifesto. He was elected to do this. It has been debated for years. It will happen and there will be some other issue to demonstrate against. The French people dont so disgruntled diacussion groups. They get out there and use their democratic freedom of assembly and speech...be careful. The UK government is going after those too...it wants silent demonstrations and restricted assembly. And while you are talking rubbish about another country you dont understand, the UK government is cutting the British people out of democratic rights right under your noses. How many times have the people of the UK voiced an opinion about their rising retirement age? As for popularity of the sittng governmwnt and PM, having 4 in 12 years is no indication of popularity. Lets wait for the UK's next general election to see how popular it is. Sorry, the only one talking rubbish about another country is you. I don't see support in France for his undemocratic decision to use article 49.3 to bypass parliament. The rest of your post about work life balance is waffle. As I said you dont know anything about France. It doesnt think like the UK. Its priorities are different. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 19, 2023 10:42:34 GMT
Sorry, the only one talking rubbish about another country is you. I don't see support in France for his undemocratic decision to use article 49.3 to bypass parliament. The rest of your post about work life balance is waffle. As I said you dont know anything about France. It doesnt think like the UK. Its priorities are different. You don't speak for the French Kim. Macron goes about his undemocratic way to reform pensions. And the effigy's of him burn and the tens of thousands of tonnes of rubbish that line the streets or Paris are figments of everyone else's imagination. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2023 3:56:42 GMT
That's not the way to protest .destroying the city causes nothing but misery for others . Peaceful protest only if you want to voice an opinion . What do you gain from making yourselves look like a load of thugs? I believe the fact a no confidence vote is being tabled suggests that what you get id a result. I wonder how different UK politics would be if every move by an unpopular politician at the top risked the streets burning. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 20, 2023 3:59:28 GMT
That's not the way to protest .destroying the city causes nothing but misery for others . Peaceful protest only if you want to voice an opinion . What do you gain from making yourselves look like a load of thugs? I believe the fact a no confidence vote is being tabled suggests that what you get id a result. I wonder how different UK politics would be if every move by an unpopular politician at the top risked the streets burning. Are you saying the British should be more like the French and take to the streets, burn their cities and start riots? Oracle likes to pretend everything on the continent is sunny lit uplands and that Britain has regressed only because of a vote on EU membership. Of course, we know that isn't the case. So, when there is a thread showing the violent troubles France is currently dealing with, this becomes an awkward moment for someone like Oracle. Who then suggests that Brit's no know nothing about the French way of life and their work life balance (lol), as though this is a valid excuse for them to behave in such a thuggish manner. Yet, the point remains, France like any other country has their own problems. Yet, people like Oracle pretend it is just Brexit Britain that has issues with inflation and such like. We know this to be dishonest and driven out of frustration because the UK left their club. They can't seem to get over it and move on. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 20, 2023 4:07:09 GMT
I believe the fact a no confidence vote is being tabled suggests that what you get id a result. I wonder how different UK politics would be if every move by an unpopular politician at the top risked the streets burning. Are you saying the British should be more like the French and take to the streets, burn their cities and start riots? Well, it got rid of the Poll Tax didn’t it. But perhaps all i’m really saying is we get the government our apathy towards their acts deserves…. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 20, 2023 4:12:14 GMT
Are you saying the British should be more like the French and take to the streets, burn their cities and start riots? Well, it got rid of the Poll Tax didn’t it. But perhaps all i’m really saying is we get the government our apathy towards their acts deserves…. I agree to an extent, but it generally isn't in the Brit's psyche to turn to violence and rioting every time the government does something they don't like. I can't imagine the French sitting around allowing a foreign entity like the EU to partly annex part of their sovereign territory like the EU has done with Northern Ireland. The Brit's are generally docile when it comes to politics. After all, look how the UK stealthily fed into becoming an EU member in the first place. However, if that (rioting) started happening right now could you imagine the ammunition it would give to Europhiles and continentals as they sit back and watch lawless Little Britain burn like France is currently doing? It would be the 'that's because you left the EU' narrative. For the time being, I'm just content watching France burn to Macron's undemocratic manoeuvres whilst ridiculous excuses are made up on here for that behaviour - because such folk have tried to tell us only the UK has problems. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 20, 2023 7:45:11 GMT
I believe the fact a no confidence vote is being tabled suggests that what you get id a result. I wonder how different UK politics would be if every move by an unpopular politician at the top risked the streets burning. Are you saying the British should be more like the French and take to the streets, burn their cities and start riots? Oracle likes to pretend everything on the continent is sunny lit uplands and that Britain has regressed only because of a vote on EU membership. Of course, we know that isn't the case. So, when there is a thread showing the violent troubles France is currently dealing with, this becomes an awkward moment for someone like Oracle. Who then suggests that Brit's no know nothing about the French way of life and their work life balance (lol), as though this is a valid excuse for them to behave in such a thuggish manner. Yet, the point remains, France like any other country has their own problems. Yet, people like Oracle pretend it is just Brexit Britain that has issues with inflation and such like. We know this to be dishonest and driven out of frustration because the UK left their club. They can't seem to get over it and move on. I am telling you from daily experience. The people and largely the political class in the EU DONT CARE WHAT HAPPENS IN THE UK. The UK is hardly ever mentioned. There is no angst or interest. Some are pleased the UK left because it was always creating trouble. The only people who mention Brexit and insist on reliving 2016 are people like you who insist on playing the event on a constant loop. The UK is of no interest to the EU. If businesses want to trade, fine. But politically the UK is inert.no more relevant than any other third country. The UK really should stop thinking it is important. No one else thinks so. |
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