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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2023 3:53:29 GMT
Inflation and finacial melt down in europe , seems like nothing to do with russian cheap energy. Back to dark ages ..cycles , cold winters , food shortges ........With a loony Toons like Micron around it was only a matter of time before his flame dimmed so badly. Micron believes he is special to France which infact us pure connector has hls policy regarding retirement age blows up in his smug face!!!!
Micron is warned France is on the verge of 'democratic breakdown': French rioters threaten home of President as he faces motions of no confidence for forcing through retirement age increase without parliament vote The controversial move was an admission that his government lacked a majority Trade unions had warned that the move would risk radicalising opponents Marine Le Pen said afterwards that it was a 'total failure for the government' French police have begun to clear protestors from square opposite parliamen.
Protestors add to a burning pile of rubbish in Nantes, western France as riots continued into the night
Rioters threatened the home of French president Emmanuel Macron tonight after he bypassed parliament to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64.
Thousands took to the streets across France to express their fury at the measure on Thursday, setting fires to property and fighting the police.
Demonstrations in Paris, Lyon, Marseille and Nante were triggered by Macron's government using a controversial constitutional mechanism to crash a bill through the National Assembly to raise the retirement age from 62 to 64.
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2023 6:04:58 GMT
You gotta love how the propaganda on here works with Europhiles.
Not intent on talking about the EU in an EU forum but laboriously whinging about Brexit. Telling leavers how bad the UK's condition is in all because it left planet EU, while inferring it's all sunny uplands on the continent.
Far from it.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2023 10:28:33 GMT
You gotta love how the propaganda on here works with Europhiles. Not intent on talking about the EU in an EU forum but laboriously whinging about Brexit. Telling leavers how bad the UK's condition is in all because it left planet EU, while inferring it's all sunny uplands on the continent. Far from it. Their hypocrisy speaks volumes mate. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2023 12:53:30 GMT
That's not the way to protest .destroying the city causes nothing but misery for others . Peaceful protest only if you want to voice an opinion . What do you gain from making yourselves look like a load of thugs?
Fires are started across France and protests continue after Macron forces through hated pension law raising retirement age to 64 - with political rivals planning no confidence vote for next week
The controversial bill to raise the retirement age was forced through parliament Procedures are set to start for a no confidence vote on Macron's government
A barricade burns as protesters block the traffic on Paris' peripheral boulevard in the morning hours
to distribute flyers against the French government's pension reform
Fury spread across the streets of Paris on Friday as angry protesters disrupted traffic and set cars and barricades ablaze as a controversial bill to raise the retirement age was forced through parliament without a vote. Several cars were torched in Paris and other French cities in the evening during demonstrations involving several thousand people. Trade unions mobilised workers to briefly block a Paris ring road. Angry critics, political opponents and labor unions around France all blasted President Emmanuel Macron's for his decision to ram the bill raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 through the legislature. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11871839/Fires-started-France-protests-continue-Macron-forces-hated-pension-law.html |
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Post by piglet on Mar 17, 2023 13:56:40 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground.
Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides.
And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts.
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Post by patman post on Mar 17, 2023 14:41:41 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. There are strikes and demos in France because the pension age in France is due to rise from 62 to 64. In the UK, state pension age is currently 66, but it is rising in stages to 68 for people born in 1979 and after — not sure how Thatcher can be blamed or praised for that...
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Post by sword on Mar 17, 2023 15:13:05 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. That fascist Thatcher did more damage to British industry than the Luftwaffe. |
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Post by piglet on Mar 17, 2023 15:13:49 GMT
Your thinking small term pat, its about the workers in france running the government, not the other way round. Imagine what would happen if Macron made wholesale changes to cut benefits, the social state, ended loss making national industries, supported by taxes. France is going bust. Do you run your huosehold by being permanently in debt, with the debt constantly spiralling? Macron is not doing that just to pass the time of day.
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Post by sword on Mar 17, 2023 15:15:10 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. There are strikes and demos in France because the pension age in France is due to rise from 62 to 64. In the UK, state pension age is currently 66, but it is rising in stages to 68 for people born in 1979 and after — not sure how Thatcher can be blamed or praised for that...
French people don't mess about when their rights and living conditions are under threat,good luck to them,fact is the Government here don't want people to live long enough to get the pension they have paid for all their lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2023 15:38:04 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Well I am very proud to declare that I was one of those people who helped to bring Maggie down, because I was involved with the campaign against the Poll Tax. Since the privatisation of British Telecom, British Gas, our Electricity Boards, Water, Trains and Buses, the service is considerably worse. No one ever answers a telephone, and instead we spend hours listening to music with the occassional voice which states "your call is important to us" ( which is a lie, because if it was important to them, they would answer ), and if you do eventually get through, you can hardly understand what they are saying because its English with a Mumbai accent. They said prices would be cheaper because of privatisation ( theres a laugh ), but instead the directors and shareholders in France are laughing all the way to the bank. Here in the North of England, planning a journey by train is a bit like a One Armed Bandit, the train MIGHT turn up, and you might be lucky, but its as likely it wont, or the train does turn up but only takes you half way to the destination because of "staffing issues" ( everyone OFF and hop on the bus ). Our Gas and Electricity companies were For The People, it was "Service" first and "Service" last, profits helped to keep a huge network of high street shops in our towns, an access point to YOUR local electric or gas board, where you could buy a torch or a cooker, pay your bill, report a fault, or talk to Mary or Jack behind the desk. EVERYTHING that has been privatised provides a worse, more expensive service, and a service where no one cares or gives a damn. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 17, 2023 15:47:54 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Well I am very proud to declare that I was one of those people who helped to bring Maggie down, because I was involved with the campaign against the Poll Tax. Since the privatisation of British Telecom, British Gas, our Electricity Boards, Water, Trains and Buses, the service is considerably worse. No one ever answers a telephone, and instead we spend hours listening to music with the occassional voice which states "your call is important to us" ( which is a lie, because if it was important to them, they would answer ), and if you do eventually get through, you can hardly understand what they are saying because its English with a Mumbai accent. They said prices would be cheaper because of privatisation ( theres a laugh ), but instead the directors and shareholders in France are laughing all the way to the bank. Here in the North of England, planning a journey by train is a bit like a One Armed Bandit, the train MIGHT turn up, and you might be lucky, but its as likely it wont, or the train does turn up but only takes you half way to the destination because of "staffing issues" ( everyone OFF and hop on the bus ). Our Gas and Electricity companies were For The People, it was "Service" first and "Service" last, profits helped to keep a huge network of high street shops in our towns, an access point to YOUR local electric or gas board, where you could buy a torch or a cooker, pay your bill, report a fault, or talk to Mary or Jack behind the desk. EVERYTHING that has been privatised provides a worse, more expensive service, and a service where no one cares or gives a damn. I found it impossible to contact our council planning office . I managed to find an email address and eventually got a standard reply . I never talked to anyone at any time. Trying to phone the right person in two hospitals in two counties has been virtually impossible. The problem isn’t about privatisation, it’s about people hiding behind the internet to keep the public away . |
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Post by patman post on Mar 17, 2023 16:02:03 GMT
This is yet another reason to bless Maggie Thatcher. She defeated the socialist state so that Britain can be run effectively, rather than being run by unions etc, coal being the obvious battle ground. Unions are run by communists who are not interested in reaching a fair agreement, but are intent on destroying democracy, as seen above, to be replaced by communism, or a fascist state. The change Britain went through has yet to be done in France. Macron knows the financial realities, bread cant be buttered on both sides. And he will fail, France is reactionary, and it will end badly. Growing up hurts. Well I am very proud to declare that I was one of those people who helped to bring Maggie down, because I was involved with the campaign against the Poll Tax. Since the privatisation of British Telecom, British Gas, our Electricity Boards, Water, Trains and Buses, the service is considerably worse. No one ever answers a telephone, and instead we spend hours listening to music with the occassional voice which states "your call is important to us" ( which is a lie, because if it was important to them, they would answer ), and if you do eventually get through, you can hardly understand what they are saying because its English with a Mumbai accent. They said prices would be cheaper because of privatisation ( theres a laugh ), but instead the directors and shareholders in France are laughing all the way to the bank. Here in the North of England, planning a journey by train is a bit like a One Armed Bandit, the train MIGHT turn up, and you might be lucky, but its as likely it wont, or the train does turn up but only takes you half way to the destination because of "staffing issues" ( everyone OFF and hop on the bus ). Our Gas and Electricity companies were For The People, it was "Service" first and "Service" last, profits helped to keep a huge network of high street shops in our towns, an access point to YOUR local electric or gas board, where you could buy a torch or a cooker, pay your bill, report a fault, or talk to Mary or Jack behind the desk. EVERYTHING that has been privatised provides a worse, more expensive service, and a service where no one cares or gives a damn. Off the top of my head, telecoms has shot ahead in service and affordability after being stifled for years by the dead hand of state ownership and bureaucracy. Public transport in London has expanded and improved since private operators actually took over operating the various modes. If I took time out to think about it, and had the data to hand, I bet there’s plenty of examples where private input improves the service. But I am not disagreeing that there are areas where public ownership and state control can be beneficial — however neither system, nor a mix, is a guarantee of effectiveness and quality… |
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Post by patman post on Mar 17, 2023 16:22:10 GMT
There are strikes and demos in France because the pension age in France is due to rise from 62 to 64. In the UK, state pension age is currently 66, but it is rising in stages to 68 for people born in 1979 and after — not sure how Thatcher can be blamed or praised for that...
French people don't mess about when their rights and living conditions are under threat,good luck to them,fact is the Government here don't want people to live long enough to get the pension they have paid for all their lives. State pensions are paid by people currently working… |
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Post by sword on Mar 17, 2023 17:07:07 GMT
French people don't mess about when their rights and living conditions are under threat,good luck to them,fact is the Government here don't want people to live long enough to get the pension they have paid for all their lives. State pensions are paid by people currently working… Well that means todays pensioners paid for other people when they were working,now its their turn to collect at the right time in their lives. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 17, 2023 17:09:37 GMT
It seems quite blind to criticise other countries while what they see in the UK is strikes and demos across the public sector, months of disruption on the railroads, its London police are again found to be racist, sexist and homophobic, and headline projects to bring the rail system up to the 20th century on a small island are being systematically cancelled and chewed off due to lack of money.
Macron made his proposal about retirement age part of his election manifesto in the last election.
Retirement at 62 is impossible unless contributions skyrocket.
And now is not the time to do that.
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