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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 12:40:52 GMT
or maybe people tuned in because they actually wanted to watch football, and not have to listen to overpaid, overrated, old timers reminiscing back to their old days as mediocre football players. yawwwnnnn Mediocre? Gary Lineker is 4th on the all time list of England goal scorers. Only Bobby Charlton, Harry Kane and Wayne Rooney have scored more. How many goals have you scored for your country? |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 12, 2023 12:42:40 GMT
or maybe people tuned in because they actually wanted to watch football, and not have to listen to overpaid, overrated, old timers reminiscing back to their old days as mediocre football players. yawwwnnnn Mediocre? Gary Lineker is 4th on the all time list of England goal scorers. Only Bobby Charlton, Harry Kane and Wayne Rooney have scored more. I did think that when it posted, it still doesn't make him an expert on mass unskilled and undocumented immigration. |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 12, 2023 12:48:52 GMT
or maybe people tuned in because they actually wanted to watch football, and not have to listen to overpaid, overrated, old timers reminiscing back to their old days as mediocre football players. yawwwnnnn Mediocre? Gary Lineker is 4th on the all time list of England goal scorers. Only Bobby Charlton, Harry Kane and Wayne Rooney have scored more. How many goals have you scored for your country? And when was it that England last won the World Cup ? 1966 wasn't it? Bobby Charlton was playing - they've won nothing since |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 12:52:48 GMT
Try to look at it philosophically - you had your run using state power to rub your opponent's noses in it and forcing them to pay for the service, and now you fear someone else is grabbing the power to do the same to you? A popcorn moment. The irony of arguing for impartiality in a move that exposes the BBC as a government mouthpiece is an own goal worthy of any Match of the Day highlights reel. I don't think it was really intrinsically about i mpartiality. I think Gary could have likely continued use his publicly funded celebrity profile to critique government policy and it would have been ignored but technically a breach. The misstep was to engage in such huge hyperbole and distortion that it became un-ignorable as an 'issue of impartiality'. My own view is that rules need to be tightened and applied to everyone who is recognisably connected to the BBC. You shouldn't be able to use your BBC profile to amplify your political opinions above others. BBC cellebs who want to (say) critique policy on social media, should do so anonymously |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 13:04:30 GMT
The irony of arguing for impartiality in a move that exposes the BBC as a government mouthpiece is an own goal worthy of any Match of the Day highlights reel. I don't think it was really intrinsically about i mpartiality. I think Gary could have likely continued use his publicly funded celebrity profile to critique government policy and it would have been ignored but technically a breach. The misstep was to engage in such huge hyperbole and distortion that it became un-ignorable as an 'issue of impartiality'. Clearly not since the BBC chairman is an out and out Tory whereas Lineker has criticised the Labour party in the past and as far as I'm aware has never stood as a Labour candidate, donated £400k to the Labour party or loaned a Labour Prime Minister £800k. It's not about impartiality it's about censoring criticism of the government. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 13:14:32 GMT
I don't think it was really intrinsically about i mpartiality. I think Gary could have likely continued use his publicly funded celebrity profile to critique government policy and it would have been ignored but technically a breach. The misstep was to engage in such huge hyperbole and distortion that it became un-ignorable as an 'issue of impartiality'. Clearly not since the BBC chairman is an out and out Tory whereas Lineker has criticised the Labour party in the past and as far as I'm aware has never stood as a Labour candidate, donated £400k to the Labour party or loaned a Labour Prime Minister £800k. It's not about impartiality it's about censoring criticism of the government. The trouble you have here is that you are appealing to notions of impartiality, integrity and lack of hypocrisy that you yourself clearly do not hold. How man people connected to the BBC have lost their connection with the BBC because they made some comment that was seen as politically unseemly? You can't surely be under the impression this is a first? How many fee paying members of the UK public had their comments on BBC articles removed because the BBC didn't find their politics agreeable? I would be happy to see a compromise position be set somewhere objective. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 13:20:43 GMT
Clearly not since the BBC chairman is an out and out Tory whereas Lineker has criticised the Labour party in the past and as far as I'm aware has never stood as a Labour candidate, donated £400k to the Labour party or loaned a Labour Prime Minister £800k. It's not about impartiality it's about censoring criticism of the government. The trouble you have here is that you are appealing to notions of impartiality, integrity and lack of hypocrisy that you yourself clearly do not hold. How man people connected to the BBC have lost their connection with the BBC because they made some comment that was seen as politically unseemly? You can't surely be under the impression this is a first? How many fee paying members of the UK public had their comments on BBC articles removed because the BBC didn't find their politics agreeable? I would be happy to see a compromise position be set somewhere objective. Perhaps you could give some examples of people who were asked to step down from their job at the BBC because of their political opinions. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 12, 2023 13:28:15 GMT
I think that Andrew Marr and Emily Maitlis left the BBC because they felt that the impartiality rules they were bound by when contracted to the national broadcaster stopped them from expressing their opinions.
They both now work in the private sector and can say what they choose, we don't have to pay their wages nor listen to what they have to say, goos result.
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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:28:37 GMT
The trouble you have here is that you are appealing to notions of impartiality, integrity and lack of hypocrisy that you yourself clearly do not hold. How man people connected to the BBC have lost their connection with the BBC because they made some comment that was seen as politically unseemly? You can't surely be under the impression this is a first? How many fee paying members of the UK public had their comments on BBC articles removed because the BBC didn't find their politics agreeable? I would be happy to see a compromise position be set somewhere objective. Perhaps you could give some examples of people who were asked to step down from their job at the BBC because of their political opinions. Disgracefull whats happened to lineker. Dont always agree with what he says , wether on politics or football , but i respect his right to say it. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 12, 2023 13:29:44 GMT
But you don't appear to respect the right of the BBC to employ who they choose?
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 13:35:14 GMT
But you don't appear to respect the right of the BBC to employ who they choose? The Director General has clearly chosen Lineker. He is hoping for a quick resolution so that Lineker can return to his post. It seems that it's only supporters of the government's plan to criminalise asylum seekers who want rid off him. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 12, 2023 13:47:25 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Mar 12, 2023 13:49:55 GMT
Maybe we should discuss why people who aren’t racists or extremists are worried about immigration. Simple, it's because the current government is whipping up a storm of anti-immigrant sentiment in order to distract from talking about their disastrous handling of Brexit, the economy and the cost of living crisis. We are being told that it is patriotic to treat asylum seekers as criminals as a blatant piece of electioneering. But this has been a growing problem and not just since we had a Tory govt,again it’s not all about our present problems. I often see that people who are worried about this are labelled as racist or extreme this also often ties in that people who think this way are also thought of as stupid which happened over brexit as Lady Nugee aka Thornberry was quoted as saying she was glad her constituents were not that stupid (for voting leave)and threatened a colleague with legal action who reported that (where did that go) also the climate change deniers rhetoric so their free speech is diminished in all those cases. Anyone remember who stopped asylum seekers working? Does anyone consider why people are concerned and where they are placed by the authorities. Some years ago I complained about a BBC sports presenter (not that it did any good)  Rob Bonnet who used to be on breakfast tv appeared on tv about a protest against a proposed asylum centre in Oxfordshire,he objected to it and commented why can’t they send them up north (presumably where the peasants and stupid live) and that’s what they did and not just the north but Cornwall and other places who now push back. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 14:00:23 GMT
The trouble you have here is that you are appealing to notions of impartiality, integrity and lack of hypocrisy that you yourself clearly do not hold. How man people connected to the BBC have lost their connection with the BBC because they made some comment that was seen as politically unseemly? You can't surely be under the impression this is a first? How many fee paying members of the UK public had their comments on BBC articles removed because the BBC didn't find their politics agreeable? I would be happy to see a compromise position be set somewhere objective. Perhaps you could give some examples of people who were asked to step down from their job at the BBC because of their political opinions. Danny Baker, Sam Mason. There are multiple others. Btw - Gary wasn't sacked for 'political opinions', he was sacked for a politically embarrassing communication. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 14:15:03 GMT
Perhaps you could give some examples of people who were asked to step down from their job at the BBC because of their political opinions. Danny Baker, Sam Mason. There are multiple others. Btw - Gary wasn't sacked for 'political opinions', he was sacked for a politically embarrassing communication. Danny Baker was not sacked for a political opinion. |
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