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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2023 17:47:35 GMT
Labour are not in power now. What they are proposing is to scrap a law that will have been in effect for 2 years before they can do anything about it. If they can scrap Laws that benefit Teachers why can't they scrap Laws that benefit Starmer? They are intending to as it happens. I am no Starmer supporter and will never vote for him or a party led by him or any other Blairite. But amidst all the desperately confected faux fury amongst Tory supporters, it remains true that it was the Tories who gave him this pension tax free in the first place, and Starmer who is promising that he will change the law so that he pays tax on it in the same way as he proposes for every other high earner with a big pension. In other words his own legislation will eliminate a perk the Tories insisted upon giving him in the first place. lol.Surely his critics can do better than that. I myself could make a far more credible case against Starmer - and have done many times - than this pathetically risible and feeble line of attack. Got a link to this because all I have seen from Labour is 'No comment'. OK - found it now. And the deal that Starmer got was agreed by Labour - it just happened to be enacted after the change of Government. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:48:08 GMT
That idea probably fits into one of his conspiracy theories of a kind right wingers too seem most attracted to. It is increasingly looking as if many of them cannot make the observed facts, their own personal prejudices, ideology, and philosophy fit into and explain observed reality as it is without resorting to conspiracy theories. This only serves to demonstrate how intellectually desperate they are. Anything but to question their own thinking or admit they might be wrong. Too many negative emotions are often invested in their world view, many right wingers defining themselves against those they choose to hate. Apparently, for example, the disaster that was the Truss/Kwarteng budget was not due to it's economic illiteracy, but to a shadowy cabal of woke lefties, civil servants, financiers, and global establishmentarians seeking to prevent tax cuts globally by sabotaging them. But for this the Truss/Kwarteng budget would have wrought an economic miracle. This is but one example of the kind of drivel I have seen being propagated. Others frequently involve the EU as somehow still pulling the strings to drag us down and acting as some kind of evil empire, in cahoots with unpatriotic remainers and of course those pesky woke lefties as well as all those left wing civil servants. All sensible people can of course recognise this for the absolute deluded nonsense that it is, but unfortunately it does sadly have a certain appeal to more intellectually challenged elements amongst right wing tabloid readers, who have been eagerly swallowing lies and conspiracy theories for decades It will all be a conspiracy of course in the small minded individuals, funny how these conspiracies keep coming true though. Name one. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:15:19 GMT
They are intending to as it happens. I am no Starmer supporter and will never vote for him or a party led by him or any other Blairite. But amidst all the desperately confected faux fury amongst Tory supporters, it remains true that it was the Tories who gave him this pension tax free in the first place, and Starmer who is promising that he will change the law so that he pays tax on it in the same way as he proposes for every other high earner with a big pension. In other words his own legislation will eliminate a perk the Tories insisted upon giving him in the first place. lol.Surely his critics can do better than that. I myself could make a far more credible case against Starmer - and have done many times - than this pathetically risible and feeble line of attack. Got a link to this because all I have seen from Labour is 'No comment'. OK - found it now. And the deal that Starmer got was agreed by Labour - it just happened to be enacted after the change of Government. Well if true thats New Labour for you, I say if because you have provided no link. It was nevertheless the Tories who gave it to him. And he has agreed to change the law for himself as well as others. This line of attack remains pitifully weak, and there are surely myriad better ones. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2023 18:22:42 GMT
Got a link to this because all I have seen from Labour is 'No comment'. OK - found it now. And the deal that Starmer got was agreed by Labour - it just happened to be enacted after the change of Government. Well if true thats New Labour for you, I say if because you have provided no link. It was nevertheless the Tories who gave it to him. And he has agreed to change the law for himself as well as others. This line of attack remains pitifully weak, and there are surely myriad better ones. The CPS’s annual report from 2008-9 says that “pension arrangements are currently being established” that would “provide pension benefits broadly in line with the Judicial Pension Scheme”. To be fair to Labour, the deal that Starmer got was the same as every previous DPP - the system was scrapped by the Tories after he stepped down. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:38:55 GMT
Well if true thats New Labour for you, I say if because you have provided no link. It was nevertheless the Tories who gave it to him. And he has agreed to change the law for himself as well as others. This line of attack remains pitifully weak, and there are surely myriad better ones. The CPS’s annual report from 2008-9 says that “pension arrangements are currently being established” that would “provide pension benefits broadly in line with the Judicial Pension Scheme”. To be fair to Labour, the deal that Starmer got was the same as every previous DPP - the system was scrapped by the Tories after he stepped down. Well as with many things they inherited from earlier governments, New Labour just left it as it is instead of changing it to something fairer. As a line of attack against Starmer though this is desperately weak, since he has stated that it was not his doing and when he changes the law for others he will change it for himself too. Surely you can come up with better lines of attack against the guy than this? |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 23, 2023 20:31:11 GMT
It will all be a conspiracy of course in the small minded individuals, funny how these conspiracies keep coming true though. Name one. Google it there are tons, especially over Covid. They only have the left running around shouting conspiracy theory at everything so they can shut down debate and the truth. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 20:36:00 GMT
Google it there are tons, especially over Covid. They only have the left running around shouting conspiracy theory at everything so they can shut down debate and the truth. Name one then. One conspiracy theory that's turned out to be true. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 23, 2023 20:36:13 GMT
It will all be a conspiracy of course in the small minded individuals, funny how these conspiracies keep coming true though. Name one. Best asking those young people with heart related problems who are dropping like flies after having the Covid jab. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 23, 2023 20:37:33 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 20:54:39 GMT
Best asking those young people with heart related problems who are dropping like flies after having the Covid jab. Was there a conspiracy theory that the vaccine caused heart failure? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 20:56:24 GMT
I didn't ask you for a list of conspiracy theories, I know there are loads of those. I asked for one that's turned out to be true. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 23, 2023 20:57:54 GMT
I didn't ask you for a list of conspiracy theories, I know there are loads of those. I asked for one that's turned out to be true. All those turned out to be true Einstein. As though I wouldn't know any. Which incidentally is how I know you have Neo Liberal stamped on your head. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 23, 2023 20:58:18 GMT
Best asking those young people with heart related problems who are dropping like flies after having the Covid jab. Was there a conspiracy theory that the vaccine caused heart failure? A resounding YES. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 21:23:06 GMT
I didn't ask you for a list of conspiracy theories, I know there are loads of those. I asked for one that's turned out to be true. All those turned out to be true Einstein. As though I wouldn't know any. Which incidentally is how I know you have Neo Liberal stamped on your head. I meant ones on here. You see I have never argued against the idea that the CIA might have attempted mind control, indeed I think it very likely they would have, hardly a conspiracy at all. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 21:32:34 GMT
Was there a conspiracy theory that the vaccine caused heart failure? A resounding YES. A conspiracy theory would be that the vaccine was given despite that it was known to cause heart failure in a significant number of people. Otherwise all you have is that a very small number of exceptions to the rule that the vaccine saved lives. So can you link me a real conspiracy theory? |
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