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Post by zanygame on Mar 22, 2023 22:54:59 GMT
I didn't say that did I. I said, Sir Kier as a member of parliament in power would like to remove these excessive tax breaks.
As in going forward they would stop them. I agree Sir Kier probably received these breaks, but not through choice. What is leading you to believe this? - because I have heard precisely Zero from him about his pension. What lead me to believe this is common sense. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2023 7:47:13 GMT
What is leading you to believe this? - because I have heard precisely Zero from him about his pension. What lead me to believe this is common sense. Common sense would suggest that if the Labour Party were proposing to do something about it they would have said something - they were very vocal about taking the benefit away from Teachers and Policemen - with Starmers pension deal there has been silence. I think you have been taken for a ride... |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 8:04:11 GMT
What lead me to believe this is common sense. Common sense would suggest that if the Labour Party were proposing to do something about it they would have said something - they were very vocal about taking the benefit away from Teachers and Policemen - with Starmers pension deal there has been silence. I think you have been taken for a ride... Common sense would tell you that when Sir Kier was a civil servant and Labour were not in power that he could not have changed anything. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 23, 2023 8:06:56 GMT
Common sense would suggest that if the Labour Party were proposing to do something about it they would have said something - they were very vocal about taking the benefit away from Teachers and Policemen - with Starmers pension deal there has been silence. I think you have been taken for a ride... Common sense would tell you that when Sir Kier was a civil servant and Labour were not in power that he could not have changed anything. But reality would say civil servants are always the power behind the scenes. Which in actual fact as long as this pure pantomime for the masses carries on it just constantly plays right into their hands. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 23, 2023 8:11:11 GMT
Common sense would suggest that if the Labour Party were proposing to do something about it they would have said something - they were very vocal about taking the benefit away from Teachers and Policemen - with Starmers pension deal there has been silence. I think you have been taken for a ride... Common sense would tell you that when Sir Kier was a civil servant and Labour were not in power that he could not have changed anything. Labour are not in power now. What they are proposing is to scrap a law that will have been in effect for 2 years before they can do anything about it. If they can scrap Laws that benefit Teachers why can't they scrap Laws that benefit Starmer? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 16:02:26 GMT
Common sense would tell you that when Sir Kier was a civil servant and Labour were not in power that he could not have changed anything. Labour are not in power now. What they are proposing is to scrap a law that will have been in effect for 2 years before they can do anything about it. If they can scrap Laws that benefit Teachers why can't they scrap Laws that benefit Starmer? They are intending to as it happens. I am no Starmer supporter and will never vote for him or a party led by him or any other Blairite. But amidst all the desperately confected faux fury amongst Tory supporters, it remains true that it was the Tories who gave him this pension tax free in the first place, and Starmer who is promising that he will change the law so that he pays tax on it in the same way as he proposes for every other high earner with a big pension. In other words his own legislation will eliminate a perk the Tories insisted upon giving him in the first place. lol. Surely his critics can do better than that. I myself could make a far more credible case against Starmer - and have done many times - than this pathetically risible and feeble line of attack. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:09:30 GMT
Common sense would tell you that when Sir Kier was a civil servant and Labour were not in power that he could not have changed anything. But reality would say civil servants are always the power behind the scenes. Which in actual fact as long as this pure pantomime for the masses carries on it just constantly plays right into their hands. You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 16:51:45 GMT
But reality would say civil servants are always the power behind the scenes. Which in actual fact as long as this pure pantomime for the masses carries on it just constantly plays right into their hands. You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. He can't but influence plays a big part in crooked politics, corridors of power, whispered messages, phone calls. Do yourself a favour, see if you can get a copy of Vance Packard's "The pyramid climbers". |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 16:56:21 GMT
But reality would say civil servants are always the power behind the scenes. Which in actual fact as long as this pure pantomime for the masses carries on it just constantly plays right into their hands. You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. That idea probably fits into one of his conspiracy theories of a kind right wingers too seem most attracted to. It is increasingly looking as if many of them cannot make the observed facts, their own personal prejudices, ideology, and philosophy fit into and explain observed reality as it is without resorting to conspiracy theories. This only serves to demonstrate how intellectually desperate they are. Anything but to question their own thinking or admit they might be wrong. Too many negative emotions are often invested in their world view, many right wingers defining themselves against those they choose to hate. Apparently, for example, the disaster that was the Truss/Kwarteng budget was not due to it's economic illiteracy, but to a shadowy cabal of woke lefties, civil servants, financiers, and global establishmentarians seeking to prevent tax cuts globally by sabotaging them. But for this the Truss/Kwarteng budget would have wrought an economic miracle. This is but one example of the kind of drivel I have seen being propagated. Others frequently involve the EU as somehow still pulling the strings to drag us down and acting as some kind of evil empire, in cahoots with unpatriotic remainers and of course those pesky woke lefties as well as all those left wing civil servants. All sensible people can of course recognise this for the absolute deluded nonsense that it is, but unfortunately it does sadly have a certain appeal to more intellectually challenged elements amongst right wing tabloid readers, who have been eagerly swallowing lies and conspiracy theories for decades |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:06:27 GMT
You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. He can't but influence plays a big part in crooked politics, corridors of power, whispered messages, phone calls. Do yourself a favour, see if you can get a copy of Vance Packard's "The pyramid climbers". A book about the power of big business in 1960's America and how they prevented undesirables (Jews etc) from climbing within their companies? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:10:21 GMT
You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. That idea probably fits into one of his conspiracy theories of a kind right wingers too seem most attracted to. It is increasingly looking as if many of them cannot make the observed facts, their own personal prejudices, ideology, and philosophy fit into and explain observed reality as it is without resorting to conspiracy theories. This only serves to demonstrate how intellectually desperate they are. Anything but to question their own thinking or admit they might be wrong. Too many negative emotions are often invested in their world view, many right wingers defining themselves against those they choose to hate. Apparently, for example, the disaster that was the Truss/Kwarteng budget was not due to it's economic illiteracy, but to a shadowy cabal of woke lefties, civil servants, financiers, and global establishmentarians seeking to prevent tax cuts globally by sabotaging them. But for this the Truss/Kwarteng budget would have wrought an economic miracle. This is but one example of the kind of drivel I have seen being propagated. Others frequently involve the EU as somehow still pulling the strings to drag us down and acting as some kind of evil empire, in cahoots with unpatriotic remainers and of course those pesky woke lefties as well as all those left wing civil servants. All sensible people can of course recognise this for the absolute deluded nonsense that it is, but unfortunately it does sadly have a certain appeal to more intellectually challenged elements amongst right wing tabloid readers, who have been eagerly swallowing lies and conspiracy theories for decades Agreed, this site seems to have become a gathering place for conspiracy theorists who then back up each others evermore entangled and unbelievable claims. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 17:17:48 GMT
He can't but influence plays a big part in crooked politics, corridors of power, whispered messages, phone calls. Do yourself a favour, see if you can get a copy of Vance Packard's "The pyramid climbers". A book about the power of big business in 1960's America and how they prevented undesirables (Jews etc) from climbing within their companies? It's more than that, far more. Have you read it or did you just read a review. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:21:56 GMT
A book about the power of big business in 1960's America and how they prevented undesirables (Jews etc) from climbing within their companies? It's more than that, far more. Have you read it or did you just read a review. A couple of reviews and a summary of the narrative. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 17:23:07 GMT
It's more than that, far more. Have you read it or did you just read a review. A couple of reviews and a summary of the narrative. Read the whole book, it's more entertaining than on here. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 23, 2023 17:26:40 GMT
You think a Director of Public Prosecutions could change the tax law on pensions? Hmm. That idea probably fits into one of his conspiracy theories of a kind right wingers too seem most attracted to. It is increasingly looking as if many of them cannot make the observed facts, their own personal prejudices, ideology, and philosophy fit into and explain observed reality as it is without resorting to conspiracy theories. This only serves to demonstrate how intellectually desperate they are. Anything but to question their own thinking or admit they might be wrong. Too many negative emotions are often invested in their world view, many right wingers defining themselves against those they choose to hate. Apparently, for example, the disaster that was the Truss/Kwarteng budget was not due to it's economic illiteracy, but to a shadowy cabal of woke lefties, civil servants, financiers, and global establishmentarians seeking to prevent tax cuts globally by sabotaging them. But for this the Truss/Kwarteng budget would have wrought an economic miracle. This is but one example of the kind of drivel I have seen being propagated. Others frequently involve the EU as somehow still pulling the strings to drag us down and acting as some kind of evil empire, in cahoots with unpatriotic remainers and of course those pesky woke lefties as well as all those left wing civil servants. All sensible people can of course recognise this for the absolute deluded nonsense that it is, but unfortunately it does sadly have a certain appeal to more intellectually challenged elements amongst right wing tabloid readers, who have been eagerly swallowing lies and conspiracy theories for decades It will all be a conspiracy of course in the small minded individuals, funny how these conspiracies keep coming true though. |
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