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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 17:37:53 GMT
We don't need to trade with anyone - it might be easier or cheaper to trade with the EU but there is nothing they produce that you couldn't get elsewhere. This is what you are saying: We don't need to trade with anyone. But we could import what the EU's producing from somewhere else. So, according to you: it is not necessary for the UK to trade with anyone -- i.e., import and export -- but at the same time, the UK can import from someone other than the EU. I mean, seriously .......  No - you have comprehension problems. There is no need for the UK to trade with the EU. Anything the UK needs we can get from other sources - those other sources may be more expensive or time consuming but they are available. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 17:39:10 GMT
We don't need to trade with anyone - it might be easier or cheaper to trade with the EU but there is nothing they produce that you couldn't get elsewhere. At a much higher cost. Particularly noq the cost of energy is not going to fall. And BTW almost all important British companies are not British anymore. They are owned by foreign and/or European companies. To be self sufficient the government would have to build more oil refineries, turn far more land over to cereal crops and orchards and hope for good weather, build more steel plants and brick factories, build plastics and glue factories, quarry more stone, create a whole new transport system, build nuclear power plants, car and airline production plants, Meanwhile the country doesnt have the money to complete HS2 for at least another 30 years. If the UK wants to import and export from as far away as possible, it will throw as much pollution into the air as not only will the trade partner produce more but the UK will increase the production of CO2 via transport . I think you had better think it out again. Think what out? -- I was pointing out a basic fact. Who claimed we were going to be self-sufficient in everything? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 19:29:26 GMT
This is what you are saying: We don't need to trade with anyone. But we could import what the EU's producing from somewhere else. So, according to you: it is not necessary for the UK to trade with anyone -- i.e., import and export -- but at the same time, the UK can import from someone other than the EU. I mean, seriously ....... No - you have comprehension problems. There is no need for the UK to trade with the EU. Anything the UK needs we can get from other sources - those other sources may be more expensive or time consuming but they are available. You have this nasty habit of changing the context of a topic according to what suits you which only confuses you in the end. Now, you're all over the place again. So. Einstein. Which of your own statements do you really want to prattle on about? Is it: (a) "there is no need for a trade deal to trade with the EU"; (b) "there is no need to trade with anyone"; (c) "there is no need to trade with the EU at all". They're all your statements -- make up your mind. There is always a need for the UK to trade with the EU. That need is inherent in our aim to achieve bigger economic success. We need to trade with the EU because we aim to achieve bigger economic success. Now, if the sole aim of your impressively thoughtless trade and economic model is to isolate the EU, then fine, isolate the EU and source everything from every single where except the EU. Even Boris Johnson saw the need to trade with the EU. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 19:33:20 GMT
No - you have comprehension problems. There is no need for the UK to trade with the EU. Anything the UK needs we can get from other sources - those other sources may be more expensive or time consuming but they are available. You have this nasty habit of changing the context of a topic according to what suits you which only confuses you in the end. Now, you're all over the place again. So. Einstein. Which of your own statements do you really want to prattle on about? Is it: (a) "there is no need for a trade deal to trade with the EU"; (b) "there is no need to trade with anyone"; (c) "there is no need to trade with the EU at all". They're all your statements -- make up your mind. There is always a need for the UK to trade with the EU. That need is inherent in our aim to achieve bigger economic success. We need to trade with the EU because we aim to achieve bigger economic success. Now, if the sole aim of your impressively thoughtless trade and economic model is to isolate the EU, then fine, isolate the EU and source everything from every single where except the EU. Even Boris Johnson saw the need to trade with the EU. You have obviously misconstrued Pacifico's post....never mind. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 23:06:16 GMT
No - you have comprehension problems. There is no need for the UK to trade with the EU. Anything the UK needs we can get from other sources - those other sources may be more expensive or time consuming but they are available. You have this nasty habit of changing the context of a topic according to what suits you which only confuses you in the end. Now, you're all over the place again. I have not changed anything - simply pointed out your basic error. As I said - we trade with the EU because its cheap and easy, we don't need to trade with the EU. Considering that our growth rate fell after we entered the Single Market your claim that we need to trade with them for economic success doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. And as for citing Boris Johnson as reason to do something  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 0:24:16 GMT
You have this nasty habit of changing the context of a topic according to what suits you which only confuses you in the end. Now, you're all over the place again. I have not changed anything - simply pointed out your basic error. As I said - we trade with the EU because its cheap and easy, we don't need to trade with the EU. Considering that our growth rate fell after we entered the Single Market your claim that we need to trade with them for economic success doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. And as for citing Boris Johnson as reason to do something You and your growth rates. Stop deviating and deflecting. The point of discussion -- which you have been trying to muddle up -- is that we, according to poster Bancroft, "do not need to trade with the EU." Right. Now it's "We don't need to trade with the EU but we do because it's cheap and easy." You're just flapping your gums, aren't you? The point of trade is that it has to be cheap and easy and therefore successful. For that reason, we need to trade with the EU because as you yourself admit, trade with the EU is cheap and easy. It's a simple issue. Why are you struggling to understand it? A sixth grader would get it. Even a moron like Boris Johnson gets it. But not you. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2023 7:53:14 GMT
Stop deviating and deflecting. The point of discussion -- which you have been trying to muddle up -- is that we, according to poster Bancroft, "do not need to trade with the EU." OK then - name a single product that we currently get from the EU that we couldn't get elsewhere if needed. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 13, 2023 11:12:15 GMT
Stop deviating and deflecting. The point of discussion -- which you have been trying to muddle up -- is that we, according to poster Bancroft, "do not need to trade with the EU." OK then - name a single product that we currently get from the EU that we couldn't get elsewhere if needed. The same principle applies to the EU. There is nothing it needs that it cannot get elsewhere, via the trade agreements it has made with about half the world. The rest it can get through the WTO. This is really a silly discussion other than if the UK traded with the EU, the costs would be far lower, faster and far easier. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 11:46:39 GMT
Stop deviating and deflecting. The point of discussion -- which you have been trying to muddle up -- is that we, according to poster Bancroft, "do not need to trade with the EU." OK then - name a single product that we currently get from the EU that we couldn't get elsewhere if needed. I can name one, but I won't. I'm not playing your game. You must get this into your Brexiteer head: Trade in economics is not so much the availability of supply per se as the availability of supply to buy and sell in the most lucrative market at the most economically advantageous price. The EU is a lucrative market and its proximity alone makes for cost effective, advantageous trading. That is why there is a need for the UK to trade with them. Again, because the EU is a lucrative market and trade with them is cheap and easy, as you say. However, if all you want is to exact your revenge on the EU and live an uncompromising, ideologically driven, economically unfeasible life in your Brexitsovereigntylala land, then go right ahead. Impose a trade blockade on the EU and only trade with the rest of the world. Let's see by how much it will make the UK poorer. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2023 11:46:41 GMT
OK then - name a single product that we currently get from the EU that we couldn't get elsewhere if needed. There is nothing it needs that it cannot get elsewhere, via the trade agreements it has made with about half the world. The rest it can get through the WTO. This is really a silly discussion other than if the UK traded with the EU, the costs would be far lower, faster and far easier. The same principle applies to any country in the world. And you dont need a trade agreement or WTO membership to get it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2023 11:47:19 GMT
OK then - name a single product that we currently get from the EU that we couldn't get elsewhere if needed. I can name one, but I won't. I'm not playing your game. As expected.. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 12:03:01 GMT
I can name one, but I won't. I'm not playing your game. As expected.. Oh, I'm sure you expected that I'd play your game. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 13, 2023 14:39:43 GMT
The same principle applies to the EU. There is nothing it needs that it cannot get elsewhere, via the trade agreements it has made with about half the world. The rest it can get through the WTO. This is really a silly discussion other than if the UK traded with the EU, the costs would be far lower, faster and far easier. The same principle applies to any country in the world. And you dont need a trade agreement or WTO membership to get it. Well since there is only one country in the world that does not trade under WTO rules...Mauritania I think, I think you would find it hard not to trade under WTO rules. You are it seems unable to think past fundamental kindergarten trade principles. Rules and agreements are in place to prevent smuggling, prevent fraudulent materials entering a country, prevent the spread of phytosanitary disease, prevent poor quality junk being sold as high quality expensive goods, prevent fraud cases going through courts. Your argumwnt is the same anarchy as " why do we have laws. We can get along without them". Yes. But not for long. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 14:44:13 GMT
There is no need for the UK to be a member of any political union in order to trade with other countries.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 16:30:12 GMT
For many centuries the nations of Europe fought one another and looked upon each other with suspicion, this culminated in two devastating and disaterous wars which involved most of the world.
But then, after the Second World War, people with great vision and foresight decided that it was time that the nations of Europe should be brought together and united in such a way that war would never happen again, and that only co-operation for the good of all should be the aim.
The Father of The European Dream was Robert Schuman, a former French Prime Minister
For now, or for the time been, the British have rejected the European dream, but not for very long, because as sure as night follows day, we will return at some point.
The reason we will return is basically because its a bloody good idea, it makes so much sense to unite and work together, and leaving the EU is a temporary setback.
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