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Post by oracle75 on Mar 10, 2023 10:49:49 GMT
Yes. In 6 years the UK has found three new countries to trade with on its own terms. If you wish to toss out established trade with around 80 countries and spend years renegotiating existing EU agreements that the UK uses, go ahead. It will take longer than I have years left. If the EU were not so generous, it should have cut the UK out of all the deals it made in the name of the EU and which some in the UK have turned up their noses. In fact now the UK has left, it has no moral right to any of those deals.The UK is paying for assets and liabilities towards the EU. It has EVERY moral right ffs. Either you belong to the EU or you dont. The UK is paying only for the pensions of Brits who used to work for the EU or those things they want to pay to be a part of. The trade deals were made by the EU for the EU. The UK doesnt belong to the EU anymore. The country has no moral right to profit by deals made by an organisation it doesnt belong to anymore, especially by choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 11:00:16 GMT
The only way poor people in poor countries will enjoy a better life is through trade. The US and the EU are such huge markets that they can generate wealth by being a huge market for that trade. Trade has been the vehicle for national wealth and standards of living since the Silk Road created the Renaissance. It created Britain's wealth through exploration and navigation because the UK was a trading nation. So perhaps before you naysay trade just to be thoughtlessly contrary as if you have a better idea, you'd better think it through again. We do not need to trade with the EU, though it would be nice. We do not need to be held hostage either plenty of other countries to trade with. On the contrary, we do need to trade with the EU. If we didn't need to trade with the EU, we would have left with no trade deal; no trade relationship whatsoever. You seem to have very little concept of what trading entails in reality. There are plenty of countries to trade with, yes, but one; do these countries have what we need in order to make or to produce the goods that we, in turn, are going to sell eventually. Two, do these countries want what we are selling? Three, can they afford what we are selling? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 10, 2023 11:39:11 GMT
Yes. In 6 years the UK has found three new countries to trade with on its own terms. If you wish to toss out established trade with around 80 countries and spend years renegotiating existing EU agreements that the UK uses, go ahead. It will take longer than I have years left.
If the EU were not so generous, it should have cut the UK out of all the deals it made in the name of the EU and which some in the UK have turned up their noses. In fact now the UK has left, it has no moral right to any of those deals. You mean there will come the time when you'll stop whinging? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 10, 2023 11:41:29 GMT
The UK is paying for assets and liabilities towards the EU. It has EVERY moral right ffs. Either you belong to the EU or you dont. The UK is paying only for the pensions of Brits who used to work for the EU or those things they want to pay to be a part of. The trade deals were made by the EU for the EU. The UK doesnt belong to the EU anymore. The country has no moral right to profit by deals made by an organisation it doesnt belong to anymore, especially by choice. The UK pays the pensions to British expats. |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 10, 2023 12:18:18 GMT
Either you belong to the EU or you dont. The UK is paying only for the pensions of Brits who used to work for the EU or those things they want to pay to be a part of. The trade deals were made by the EU for the EU. The UK doesnt belong to the EU anymore. The country has no moral right to profit by deals made by an organisation it doesnt belong to anymore, especially by choice. The UK pays the pensions to British expats. Indeed they do and depending where they have chosen to retire to some will never benefit from any increase in the State Pension as and when that happens. As for trading for centauries we traded with any country we chose to and sold our goods around the world, the EU still trades with us and we with them, they just make it as difficult as possible as they are still sulking |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 12:35:29 GMT
The UK is paying for assets and liabilities towards the EU. It has EVERY moral right ffs. Either you belong to the EU or you dont. The UK is paying only for the pensions of Brits who used to work for the EU or those things they want to pay to be a part of. The trade deals were made by the EU for the EU. The UK doesnt belong to the EU anymore. The country has no moral right to profit by deals made by an organisation it doesnt belong to anymore, especially by choice.
That is not for you to decide - if the countries involved want to give the UK the same deal as we had when in the EU that is a decision for them |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 12:37:16 GMT
We do not need to trade with the EU, though it would be nice. We do not need to be held hostage either plenty of other countries to trade with. On the contrary, we do need to trade with the EU. If we didn't need to trade with the EU, we would have left with no trade deal; no trade relationship whatsoever.What Trade Deal do we have with the country that is our largest trading partner? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 13:09:40 GMT
On the contrary, we do need to trade with the EU. If we didn't need to trade with the EU, we would have left with no trade deal; no trade relationship whatsoever.What Trade Deal do we have with the country that is our largest trading partner? The States, you mean? Sorry, that question is futile. There's no need to segment the issue into individual country level. What's the point in comparing the US with Germany when we know full well that with the EU, the trade is carried out with a bloc of 27 countries that trade as one. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 13:14:42 GMT
What Trade Deal do we have with the country that is our largest trading partner? The States, you mean? Sorry, that question is futile. There's no need to segment the issue into individual country level. What's the point in comparing the US with Germany when we know full well that with the EU, the trade is carried out with a bloc of 27 countries that trade as one.Have you told the Ukrains that lttle snippet? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 10, 2023 14:19:58 GMT
What Trade Deal do we have with the country that is our largest trading partner? The States, you mean? Sorry, that question is futile. There's no need to segment the issue into individual country level. What's the point in comparing the US with Germany when we know full well that with the EU, the trade is carried out with a bloc of 27 countries that trade as one. You are treating the EU as a country, they'll just love that idea. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 14:44:34 GMT
The States, you mean? Sorry, that question is futile. There's no need to segment the issue into individual country level. What's the point in comparing the US with Germany when we know full well that with the EU, the trade is carried out with a bloc of 27 countries that trade as one. You are treating the EU as a country, they'll just love that idea. LOL and von-de-liar a head of state... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 16:16:45 GMT
You are treating the EU as a country, they'll just love that idea. LOL and von-de-liar a head of state... You are, as usual, arguing against a point that I am not making -- just so you can insert another one of your non-arguments. ....  |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 16:40:19 GMT
LOL and von-de-liar a head of state... You are, as usual, arguing against a point that I am not making -- just so you can insert another one of your non-arguments. .... You don't have a point. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 17:12:50 GMT
You are, as usual, arguing against a point that I am not making -- just so you can insert another one of your non-arguments. .... You don't have a point. Fine. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 10, 2023 17:35:24 GMT
Neither a fine point either. |
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