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Post by borchester on May 1, 2023 11:26:52 GMT
To be fair, srb7677 swings between hard left a tuffu guzzling limp dick, so his politics tend to even out. i like steve. Not so much his politics , but i see where you are coming from borkie. Where is steve these days anyway? Probably sticking up bunting for the coronation of Good King Charles.
As you say Tommy, Steve is a good lad, but his politics is all over the shop. Mind you, I tend to confuse Steve srb7677 and Steve Steve, so what do I know?
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Post by Dogburger on May 1, 2023 16:30:08 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron Jeremy Corbyn. I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Thatcher , Not pursuing the poll tax , didnt realise the way Europe was headed till it was too late , gave Major a job Blair , was born , Iraq war/WMD's , allowed mass immigration Clegg , Put all his chips on blue , sold out his student vote , supported defence spending cuts Sturgeon , Don't know enough about her to comment Kinnock , Europhile , Windbag , champion of the gravy train Cameron ,coward , friendship with pigs heads , supported remain as PM he should have stepped back so he could act on the result JC , is what he is but at least he doesn't hide it , perm any 3 faults from a 1000
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2023 18:18:44 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron Jeremy Corbyn. I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Thatcher , Not pursuing the poll tax , didnt realise the way Europe was headed till it was too late , gave Major a job Blair , was born , Iraq war/WMD's , allowed mass immigration Clegg , Put all his chips on blue , sold out his student vote , supported defence spending cuts Sturgeon , Don't know enough about her to comment Kinnock , Europhile , Windbag , champion of the gravy train Cameron ,coward , friendship with pigs heads , supported remain as PM he should have stepped back so he could act on the result JC , is what he is but at least he doesn't hide it , perm any 3 faults from a 1000 Thatcher very much did pursue the poll tax which was widely and rightly seen by most of the public as grotesquely unfair. In fact, her refusal to budge on the issue with her usual trademark stubborn arrogance was so clearly leading the Tories to disaster that it became a major factor in her own MPs toppling her.
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Post by Dogburger on May 2, 2023 19:06:46 GMT
Thatcher , Not pursuing the poll tax , didnt realise the way Europe was headed till it was too late , gave Major a job Blair , was born , Iraq war/WMD's , allowed mass immigration Clegg , Put all his chips on blue , sold out his student vote , supported defence spending cuts Sturgeon , Don't know enough about her to comment Kinnock , Europhile , Windbag , champion of the gravy train Cameron ,coward , friendship with pigs heads , supported remain as PM he should have stepped back so he could act on the result JC , is what he is but at least he doesn't hide it , perm any 3 faults from a 1000 Thatcher very much did pursue the poll tax which was widely and rightly seen by most of the public as grotesquely unfair. In fact, her refusal to budge on the issue with her usual trademark stubborn arrogance was so clearly leading the Tories to disaster that it became a major factor in her own MPs toppling her. What I meant was she didnt pursue it enough . Most ratepayers saw it as a perfectly fair way to finance local services . It was as usual the noisy minority of freeloaders and those being asked to pay their fair share that were kicking off . Her fault was in not pursuing it . It gave those who wished to topple her (theres always someone wishing to topple the PM ) a reason to up their game while she looked weak .
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 20:39:35 GMT
Thatcher very much did pursue the poll tax which was widely and rightly seen by most of the public as grotesquely unfair. In fact, her refusal to budge on the issue with her usual trademark stubborn arrogance was so clearly leading the Tories to disaster that it became a major factor in her own MPs toppling her. What I meant was she didnt pursue it enough . Most ratepayers saw it as a perfectly fair way to finance local services . It was as usual the noisy minority of freeloaders and those being asked to pay their fair share that were kicking off . Her fault was in not pursuing it . It gave those who wished to topple her (theres always someone wishing to topple the PM ) a reason to up their game while she looked weak . She did pursue it and refused to stop pursuing it in spite of it being widely seen as grotesquely unfair, the poor being expected to pay the same as the rich. It was because of her refusal to cease pursuing it that the party was heading for defeat. They had to ditch the policy and replace it with something fairer to save their government. She was having none of it and so they had to remove her to ditch the policy.
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Post by Dogburger on May 3, 2023 8:01:59 GMT
What I meant was she didnt pursue it enough . Most ratepayers saw it as a perfectly fair way to finance local services . It was as usual the noisy minority of freeloaders and those being asked to pay their fair share that were kicking off . Her fault was in not pursuing it . It gave those who wished to topple her (theres always someone wishing to topple the PM ) a reason to up their game while she looked weak . She did pursue it and refused to stop pursuing it in spite of it being widely seen as grotesquely unfair, the poor being expected to pay the same as the rich. It was because of her refusal to cease pursuing it that the party was heading for defeat. They had to ditch the policy and replace it with something fairer to save their government. She was having none of it and so they had to remove her to ditch the policy. And they failed to remove her because enough of her party backed her and the manifesto that had won her the election . Having lost the backing of some of her closest allies in government though she resigned some months later . But yes she didnt pursue it enough , prosecutions of non payers was low , registration was half cocked and enforcement generally tailed off as it became a choice on whether to pay it or not. She should have been stronger .
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 10:36:37 GMT
She did pursue it and refused to stop pursuing it in spite of it being widely seen as grotesquely unfair, the poor being expected to pay the same as the rich. It was because of her refusal to cease pursuing it that the party was heading for defeat. They had to ditch the policy and replace it with something fairer to save their government. She was having none of it and so they had to remove her to ditch the policy. And they failed to remove her because enough of her party backed her and the manifesto that had won her the election . Having lost the backing of some of her closest allies in government though she resigned some months later . But yes she didnt pursue it enough , prosecutions of non payers was low , registration was half cocked and enforcement generally tailed off as it became a choice on whether to pay it or not. She should have been stronger . The more rigorously they enforced something so grotesquely unfair and unpopular, the more disastrous it would have been electorally for the Tories. And she failed, albeit only just, to get enough votes in the first round of the leadership ballot to avoid a second round. And it was made clear to her by everyone that mattered that she would lose that second round vote. So her only choice was to jump or be pushed. And her stubborn stupidity over the poll tax was a major cause of this. And yes they were elected on a manifesto promise to replace the rates with something fairer. But instead they replaced them with something so grotesquely unfair that a large majority of the public were intensely angry about it. Had she accepted that she was wrong and backed down, she'd likely have survived and possibly led the Tories to victory in 1992. That she refused to give a stuff about what the public thought meant only that she was guaranteed to lead her party to disaster if she stayed. And the poll tax itself was made virtually unworkable by the mass resistance of much of the public refusing to pay in a campaign of civil disobedience, which utterly overwhelmed those whose job was enforcement. Private tenants in particular kept changing address to avoid payment. I myself am proud to be one of those who refused to pay and refused to cooperate with registration forms of any kind. The council tax is far from perfect and itself highly regressive but was enough of a nod in a fairer direction for most people - including me - to cooperate in paying it. One of the poll tax enforcement problems was that many of the very poorest who never paid rates, had to pay 20% of the poll tax. Hardly any of them did and the cost of enforcement in such cases would have been far greater than the sums collected. An obvious factor that should have been foreseen but typically wasnt.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2023 11:10:28 GMT
i like steve. Not so much his politics , but i see where you are coming from borkie. Where is steve these days anyway? Probably sticking up bunting for the coronation of Good King Charles.
As you say Tommy, Steve is a good lad, but his politics is all over the shop. Mind you, I tend to confuse Steve srb7677 and Steve Steve, so what do I know?
Actually I have been busy leafletting and have been active on the local internet pages regarding local issues, campaigning for TUSC (Trade Union and Socialist Coalition) who are standing in every ward of my city. Two of the candidates are relatives of mine. This is therefore more important to me than gassing off here and a greater claim on my internet time. I very much doubt we will win any seats but we hope to gain more votes than last year and stuff Labour in a few places. The Tories are likely to fare very badly here in Plymouth due to a hugely unpopular tree massacre in the dead of night which most locals opposed. We who support TUSC have been doing our best to point out that Labour was as much in favour of that as the Tories. When it comes to the coronation, I will be working on that day because the idiots making the decisions are not holding the coronation on the same day as the coronation bank holiday on the monday, but on the saturday which is a normal working day for all those people who work saturdays. And my supermarket workplace is open normally on the day of the coronation itself. Were I a royalist I would be intensely annoyed, but as a republican I am not really bothered, beyond noting another example of utter stupidity b y the powers that be. lol
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