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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 20:13:37 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers.
Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following.
Margaret Thatcher.
Tony Blair
Nick Clegg
Nicola Sturgeon
Neil Kinnock
David Cameron
Jeremy Corbyn.
I will give my own repsonses in a following post.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 2, 2023 20:32:10 GMT
1) privatisation,stubbornness,and misplaced self belief
2)Iraq,congenital liar,oh and Iraq
3)The coalition,also another liar (fees) sans principles
4) a bit kranky,has gender fixation other than that nothing
5)publicly bathing fully clothed in the sea,another lost his principles,(see last comment) was anti eu till he took his silver pieces minted in Brussels.
6) Mr runaway,pigophilia,advising no 1)
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 20:34:13 GMT
Margaret Thatcher.- Cuddling up to Pinochet & other murderous dictators
- Implementing jihadist monetarism knowing full well it would plunge 1 in 10 into unemplyment
- The Poll Tax to pick on the poorest to benefit the rich
Tony Blair- Agreeing to let Poland etc into the EU on free movement to UK terms
- Not challenging the intelligence sources with 'are you just telling me what I want to hear' (over Iraq)
- Allowing Gordon Brown to have that obscene household debt fuelled boom
Nick Clegg
- Taking the Facebook $ to be a front man for no action on hate posting
- Not having a 'can abstain' on student fees clause in the coalition agreement
- Screwing up the AV referendum campaign
Nicola Sturgeon- Wanting to break up the UK
- Being a jihadist for 'trans rights'
- Allowing that murderous care homes fiasco in Scotland and not sacking the prime instigators
Neil Kinnock- Having an offensive Marxist wife
- Screwing up the 1992 GE campaign
- Supporting Unilateral Nuclear Disarmament
David Cameron- Allowing George Osborne to inflict 'we're all in this together' downsides only on the less well off.
- Screwing up deal negotiations with the EU
- Screwing up the referendum remain campaign
and added Jeremy Corbyn
- Lying his way into the Remain campaign to destroy its position
- Wanting to make the Uk Venezuela without the sun
- Wreaking enduring damage on the Labour Party
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 20:36:46 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Funny you missed dear jeremy cirdyn but there all human and make mistakes dont they |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 20:37:35 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Thatcher - Affecting Royal demeanour, trusting the EEC and the Europhiles, expecting people to be reasonable. Blair - Iraq, Spin and lack of leadership in Cabinet over Ministers.. Nick Clegg - Making solemn pledges, being overtly Europhile, taking power no matter what. Sturgeon - Education, Education, Education Kinnock - Triumphalism, Verbosity, taking an EU role. Cameron - being Blair light, Gay marriage, promising a referendum. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 2, 2023 20:38:19 GMT
Anyone who is politically impartial is by definition apolitical, and that is certainly not me. Anyone who has any interest in politics will not be impartial/apolitical. They will quite obviously be partial, in most cases very partial.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 20:46:29 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Funny you missed dear jeremy cirdyn but there all human and make mistakes dont they An oversight. Have now added him. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 20:50:06 GMT
OK then I'll add Jeremy Corbyn- Lying his way into the Remain campaign to destroy its position
- Wanting to make the Uk Venezuela without the sun
- Wreaking enduring damage on the Labour Party
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Post by wapentake on Mar 2, 2023 20:55:17 GMT
Anyone who is politically impartial is by definition apolitical, and that is certainly not me. Anyone who has any interest in politics will not be impartial/apolitical. They will quite obviously be partial, in most cases very partial. Yeah but you have a sense of humour and your thoughts on them can raise a laugh. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 21:00:13 GMT
Thatcher - the poll tax, the failure to build sufficient social housing, the callous diregard for those communities blighted by her policies.
Blair - the Iraq war, tuition fees, the continuation of thatcherite housing policies.
Clegg - propping up the Tories, breaking his pledge on tuition fee increases, settling for the squalid little compromise option for a referendum on constitutional change and deservedly lost it.
Sturgeon - not doing more to reach out to potential allies outside of Scotland, not holding an independence referendum anyway to make clear who is holding who down, and being sidetracked by identity politics issues
Kinnock - Way too overconfident in the 1992 election campaign, overly verbose in his personal delivery, sometimes more confrontational than he needed to be in his own party
Cameron - Closed off growth with excessively harsh austerity, offered a referendum on EU membership to shut his own party up which he then lost, allowed another vast swathe of dubiously motivated and overly complexand expensive NHS reforms.
Corbyn - was too weak in fighting back against politically motivated smear campaigns. Was too tolerant of Blairite troublemakers. Overpromised in the 2019 election without proper costings.
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 2, 2023 21:03:18 GMT
They all believed that what they said was the "right thing to do"
They were all carried away by hubis
They all failed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 21:03:40 GMT
OK then I'll add Jeremy Corbyn- Lying his way into the Remain campaign to destroy its position
- Wanting to make the Uk Venezuela without the sun
- Wreaking enduring damage on the Labour Party
Your second point in particular is risible. Labour aspired to something akin to the Nordic model, not the Venezuelan one. But alas is it standard practice for centrists to misrepresent the left as extremists using lies, groos exagerrations, and false labels. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 21:09:52 GMT
Anyone who is politically impartial is by definition apolitical, and that is certainly not me. Anyone who has any interest in politics will not be impartial/apolitical. They will quite obviously be partial, in most cases very partial. That is indeed true of all of us. But most of us can at least make enough of a stab at impartiality to cite errors made by the people we support. An inability to recognise flaws or errors in your own side is a trait of the typical political cult follower, |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 22:38:10 GMT
OK then I'll add Jeremy Corbyn- Lying his way into the Remain campaign to destroy its position
- Wanting to make the Uk Venezuela without the sun
- Wreaking enduring damage on the Labour Party
Your second point in particular is risible. Labour aspired to something akin to the Nordic model, not the Venezuelan one. But alas is it standard practice for centrists to misrepresent the left as extremists using lies, groos exagerrations, and false labels. What Nordic model? - do you mean 25% VAT, Corporation taxes lower than the European average, for-profit schools, higher wealth inequality than the UK or perhaps a privatised Fire Service like Denmark?. I think that Corbyns idea of the Nordic model is somewhat different to the Nordic's view of the Nordic model..  |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 22:42:43 GMT
Thatcher - the poll tax, the failure to build sufficient social housing, the callous diregard for those communities blighted by her policies. Blair - the Iraq war, tuition fees, the continuation of thatcherite housing policies. Clegg - propping up the Tories, breaking his pledge on tuition fee increases, settling for the squalid little compromise option for a referendum on constitutional change and deservedly lost it. Sturgeon - not doing more to reach out to potential allies outside of Scotland, not holding an independence referendum anyway to make clear who is holding who down, and being sidetracked by identity politics issues Kinnock - Way too overconfident in the 1992 election campaign, overly verbose in his personal delivery, sometimes more confrontational than he needed to be in his own party Cameron - Closed off growth with excessively harsh austerity, offered a referendum on EU membership to shut his own party up which he then lost, allowed another vast swathe of dubiously motivated and overly complexand expensive NHS reforms. Corbyn - was too weak in fighting back against politically motivated smear campaigns. Was too tolerant of Blairite troublemakers. Overpromised in the 2019 election without proper costings. Is there any guidance on how impartiality in this test will be measured. I think the listings for Thatcher will highlight partiality most especially the language used. |
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