|
|
Post by jeg er on Mar 9, 2023 17:28:29 GMT
yes, to places like greece. i am not aware if was mandated to the UK, though. i recall it was all cameron's (tories) own idea, i remember listening to an interview about before he won his first GE as tory leader, and explained all his economic thinking about it, and he did not bring the EU into it The EU started Excessive Deficit legal procedure against the UK in 2008 - it only ended in 2017. It required the UK to get our deficit below the EU target of 3%. So the only way you would have got your Keynesian splurge would have been to fail to follow EU rules and all that that entails. Restrictions on the amount of Public Spending was one of the reasons that Left-wing Brexit supporters wanted to exit - the EU prevents many left-wing policies. that still does not mean that the EU imposed cameron's heavy structure of austerity upon the UK or that it was an EU as opposed to tory government at the time policy there was most likely scope for somewhere halfway between cam's ideas and the borrow/spend one |
|
|
|
Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 17:35:54 GMT
The EU started Excessive Deficit legal procedure against the UK in 2008 - it only ended in 2017. It required the UK to get our deficit below the EU target of 3%. So the only way you would have got your Keynesian splurge would have been to fail to follow EU rules and all that that entails. Restrictions on the amount of Public Spending was one of the reasons that Left-wing Brexit supporters wanted to exit - the EU prevents many left-wing policies. that still does not mean that the EU imposed cameron's heavy structure of austerity upon the UK or that it was an EU as opposed to tory government at the time policy there was most likely scope for somewhere halfway between cam's ideas and the borrow/spend one The UK had to reduce the deficit to the 3% target - that naturally limited how much the government could spend. That it took 9 years to comply with the EU mandate shows that there was no scope for somewhere halfway between. |
|
|
|
Post by johnofgwent on Mar 9, 2023 20:03:07 GMT
that still does not mean that the EU imposed cameron's heavy structure of austerity upon the UK or that it was an EU as opposed to tory government at the time policy there was most likely scope for somewhere halfway between cam's ideas and the borrow/spend one The UK had to reduce the deficit to the 3% target - that naturally limited how much the government could spend. That it took 9 years to comply with the EU mandate shows that there was no scope for somewhere halfway between. Ah yes EU ‘mandated’ economy adjustments The EU crushed Eire when their reaction to Blair’s IR35 - a huge drop in corporation tax and an invite to all snd sundry to come to the Republic - overheated the economy, and the EU demanded change or financial ruin from Brussels, but strangely when the Franco German alliance overheated and they did shit all to fix that, the EU did shit all about it If ever there was a reason to be out, these double standards are it |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 9:34:26 GMT
that still does not mean that the EU imposed cameron's heavy structure of austerity upon the UK or that it was an EU as opposed to tory government at the time policy there was most likely scope for somewhere halfway between cam's ideas and the borrow/spend one The UK had to reduce the deficit to the 3% target - that naturally limited how much the government could spend. That it took 9 years to comply with the EU mandate shows that there was no scope for somewhere halfway between. It seems that the G20 led the way in 2010. "In essence the eurozone agreed [in 2012] to pursue policies that promote growth and austerity not growth or austerity. This statement marked the beginning of recognition that austerity needed to be scaled-back – Julia Gillard, former Prime Minister, Australia". www.brookings.edu/research/can-coordination-in-the-g-20-help-countries-to-reduce-debt-and-deficits/ |
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Mar 10, 2023 9:45:17 GMT
Reaching in over democracy and forcing adjustments also, of course, prevents competition between different approaches.
|
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 14:11:09 GMT
Reaching in over democracy and forcing adjustments also, of course, prevents competition between different approaches. Good collective assessment and advice is hardly likely to be completely ignored. |
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Mar 10, 2023 14:16:44 GMT
Reaching in over democracy and forcing adjustments also, of course, prevents competition between different approaches. Good collective assessment and advice is hardly likely to be completely ignored. Collective policy prevents competition between participants. If everyone has to do things the way you want it done, nobody can prove you are wrong by doing something else and outcompeting you. |
|
|
|
Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 14:41:44 GMT
Good collective assessment and advice is hardly likely to be completely ignored. Collective policy prevents competition between participants. If everyone has to do things the way you want it done, nobody can prove you are wrong by doing something else and outcompeting you. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but in a world where the same problem and the same affect is common place amongst all countries involved, then a united front based upon creditable explanation and understanding could actually be the answer. |
|
|
|
Post by Orac on Mar 10, 2023 15:55:17 GMT
Collective policy prevents competition between participants. If everyone has to do things the way you want it done, nobody can prove you are wrong by doing something else and outcompeting you. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but in a world where the same problem and the same affect is common place amongst all countries involved, then a united front based upon creditable explanation and understanding could actually be the answer. The 'united front' also prevents anyone proving your understanding to be wrong. These are political decisions and there is no settled, uncontroversial position |
|
|
|
Post by Vinny on Apr 24, 2023 20:37:44 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron Jeremy Corbyn. I will give my own repsonses in a following post. Margaret Thatcher: Friendship with Pinochet. Supporting the arms deals of her son. Single European Act. Tony Blair: Devolution. University Tuition Fees. Signing EU treaties without democratic mandate. Nick Clegg: Tuition fee rise. Disability Living Allowance Cut. Rabid Europhilia. Nicola Sturgeon. Crazed left wing lunacy like the perverts charter. Air gun licences were introduced, but mail order sales of Crossbows with sufficient power to pierce a bulletproof vest were left alone. Separatism at all costs. Neil Kinnock: "Wait and see" nonsense on tax. Support for the ERM. Becoming an unelected Commissioner.
David Cameron:
Failing to reform the EU.
Pretending that he had.
Taking sides in the EU referendum.
Gordon Brown (you left him out but I won't):
Sale of our gold at rock bottom prices.
Raiding pensioners savings.
Signing the Lisbon Treaty without a democratic mandate to do so.
Jeremy Corbyn: Breaking his word when he said he'd honour the referendum. Listening to Keir Starmer and Emily Thornberry too much whilst ignoring the grass roots. Doing fuck all about rabid anti semites in the party (and sounding like he could be one himself). |
|
|
|
Post by vlk on Apr 28, 2023 15:52:32 GMT
The poll-tax was a good example how detached from reality Thatcher was as she couldn't understand what kind of a political suicide it was. It was pocket money for some people while it was a real financial hardship for some other people.
|
|
|
|
Post by borchester on Apr 29, 2023 13:45:10 GMT
Margaret Thatcher's big mistakes were to hang around to long and reforming the rates.
She sorted out the Argies and the unions and helped a lot of council tenants become property owners, which was fine by most of us, bu then she ran out of things to do and tried to introduce the Poll Tax. No one liked the rates, but it was not much of a burden and we were used to it. But Maggie got the wind up her tail and decided to steam ahead regardless. Fortunately she paved the way for Tony Blair, who was just as conservative but with much less in the way of scruples, so no real harm done.
|
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 29, 2023 15:52:53 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron Jeremy Corbyn. I will give my own repsonses in a following post. im not impartial , and neither is anyone on this forum steve. |
|
|
|
Post by borchester on Apr 30, 2023 12:00:53 GMT
Here is a test open to everyone to guage impartiality. Anyone with a reasonable claim to be impartial ought to be able to provide answers. Name three faults or errors or mistakes made by each of the following. Margaret Thatcher. Tony Blair Nick Clegg Nicola Sturgeon Neil Kinnock David Cameron Jeremy Corbyn. I will give my own repsonses in a following post. im not impartial , and neither is anyone on this forum steve. To be fair, srb7677 swings between hard left a tuffu guzzling limp dick, so his politics tend to even out.  |
|
|
|
Post by thomas on Apr 30, 2023 14:53:16 GMT
im not impartial , and neither is anyone on this forum steve. To be fair, srb7677 swings between hard left a tuffu guzzling limp dick, so his politics tend to even out. i like steve. Not so much his politics , but i see where you are coming from borkie. Where is steve these days anyway? |
|
