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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 5, 2023 7:23:32 GMT
All religions are ideologies - it's just that some have been around for so long that they're called a "religion" for some reason that defeats me. This makes them exempt from many laws. For example political parties that have odious ideologies that break laws are proscribed and those who follow them are arrested. Yet the same doesn't happen for "religions". I think it's about time it did. So books like the koran (and the Bible) should have to remove passages that encourage violence. There's absolutely no logical reason why they should be exempt from these laws.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 9:54:44 GMT
All religions are ideologies - it's just that some have been around for so long that they're called a "religion" for some reason that defeats me. This makes them exempt from many laws. For example political parties that have odious ideologies that break laws are proscribed and those who follow them are arrested. Yet the same doesn't happen for "religions". I think it's about time it did. So books like the koran (and the Bible) should have to remove passages that encourage violence. There's absolutely no logical reason why they should be exempt from these laws. Sounds a really popular idea, re-writing ancient texts. Please let us know how you get on. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 5, 2023 9:58:26 GMT
There can be no freedom of religion without freedom of blasphemy. That goes for accidentally and also on purpose. Have a situation in which religious people are not bullied or bullies. Where religious people become bullies, reprimand and if serious, prosecute them. About the most sensible thing I’ve read in a long time,short and to the point. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 5, 2023 10:02:36 GMT
Laws against religious hatred are dangerously close to being a blasphemy law.
People have to be free to do what they want to a Koran, whether it be reading it, or burning it, or wiping their backsides on it, absolute freedom includes the freedom to offend.
And if someones faith is so shaken by an act of damage to a book, either accidental or on purpose, that they have to call for the harm of another human being, their faith is not worth respecting anyway.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 5, 2023 19:06:30 GMT
Laws against religious hatred are dangerously close to being a blasphemy law. People have to be free to do what they want to a Koran, whether it be reading it, or burning it, or wiping their backsides on it, absolute freedom includes the freedom to offend. And if someones faith is so shaken by an act of damage to a book, either accidental or on purpose, that they have to call for the harm of another human being, their faith is not worth respecting anyway. Which faith is worth respecting, most are based on the sayings and general ramblings of one person. Respecting a person's right to hold a faith is in no way the same as respecting that faith. Most faiths do not respect my beliefs, fine, I have no issue with that but I do have issue with the demands that what they hold dear is expected to be held dear by others when they cannot, will not and frequently do not reciprocate. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 6, 2023 7:40:08 GMT
All religions are ideologies - it's just that some have been around for so long that they're called a "religion" for some reason that defeats me. This makes them exempt from many laws. For example political parties that have odious ideologies that break laws are proscribed and those who follow them are arrested. Yet the same doesn't happen for "religions". I think it's about time it did. So books like the koran (and the Bible) should have to remove passages that encourage violence. There's absolutely no logical reason why they should be exempt from these laws. Sounds a really popular idea, re-writing ancient texts. Please let us know how you get on. It's simply a matter of removing ALL exemptions in UK law that are given to "religions". Religions are simply ideologies - like political ideologies - and should be treated no differently. Books that break our laws can't be published - for example if they incite violence - so why should so-called religious books be exempted from that law? And why should people be allowed to break laws on the slaughter of animals for religious reasons? Or be allowed corporal punishment in madrassas? Et cetera. It's indefensible. Yet we specifically make exemptions to allow the publication of extremely offensive literature in the name of religions. "Kill the kuffar wherever you find them" is in the koran - along with many other exhortations to religious war. There's even a hadith that says the killing of infidels will be rewarded with a special place in jannah (heaven) and 76 virgins (!). It would be laughable if it weren't so serious. Do you seriously think that jihadists would be so keen on becoming suicide bombers if they didn't think that they would be rewarded? This is obviously dangerous literature. And it would be very easy to do as it's simply an obvious rationalisation of daft laws. How the various religious groups react to it is up to them - but religious establishments that continue to disseminate illegal literature would obviously have to be shut down. Some countries (like Italy) already shut down mosques that promote jihadism - which is a start. We don't even shut down vile mosques like the Didsbury one that is known to preach extremism. Time to get serious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 18:48:34 GMT
"Religions are simply ideologies" is an ideology of steppenwolf, but not one that is shared by the majority of people on the Earth, as more than 50% believe in God or gods. If you are a liberal, you will allow people to have their beliefs, without being at all bothered by them. Unless, of course, they try to convert you, or affect you in a detrimental way. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 13, 2023 7:52:17 GMT
"Religions are simply ideologies" is an ideology of steppenwolf , but not one that is shared by the majority of people on the Earth, as more than 50% believe in God or gods. If you are a liberal, you will allow people to have their beliefs, without being at all bothered by them. Unless, of course, they try to convert you, or affect you in a detrimental way.That's exactly it. People can believe anything they like until they break the law - or require exemptions from certain laws. So I would remove all exemptions from laws for "religions". Why should we allow ANY religion to break any of our laws? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 14, 2023 18:47:42 GMT
"Religions are simply ideologies" is an ideology of steppenwolf , but not one that is shared by the majority of people on the Earth, as more than 50% believe in God or gods. If you are a liberal, you will allow people to have their beliefs, without being at all bothered by them. Unless, of course, they try to convert you, or affect you in a detrimental way.That's exactly it. People can believe anything they like until they break the law - or require exemptions from certain laws. So I would remove all exemptions from laws for "religions". Why should we allow ANY religion to break any of our laws? Some people are exempt from certain laws. Bigamy is illegal in this country, unless you're a Muslim. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 14, 2023 19:17:51 GMT
That's exactly it. People can believe anything they like until they break the law - or require exemptions from certain laws. So I would remove all exemptions from laws for "religions". Why should we allow ANY religion to break any of our laws? Some people are exempt from certain laws. Bigamy is illegal in this country, unless you're a Muslim. Well it shouldn’t be. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 14, 2023 19:23:52 GMT
Some people are exempt from certain laws. Bigamy is illegal in this country, unless you're a Muslim. Well it shouldn’t be. I quite agree, as I suspect the vast majority do. However, it's racist to comment. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 14, 2023 20:06:09 GMT
I quite agree, as I suspect the vast majority do. However, it's racist to comment. And again. Well it shouldn’t be. And here’s a good example,you’re going to Pakistan and marrying your cousin,apart from the fact she didn’t want to (and paid with her life for refusing) it’s the reason the kids from these marriages have deformities and health problems. Is it racist to point that out too? But it is a fact, the uncle killed then asks the cop if it’s a lesser sentence for manslaughter or if convicted of murder is it true he’d only have to serve half the sentence. Based on that and our lax sentencing laws for murder he should be deported to Pakistan as soon as he’s released,is that racist too? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11858919/Uncle-53-guilty-murdering-20-year-old-niece-refused-forced-marriage.html |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 19, 2023 1:32:55 GMT
Here's my two bobs worth on this sheer nonsense, Sharia Law does not apply in the UK it has no legal standing IMO, the only people that will avail themselves of it and abide by it are devoted Muslims, for E.G Divorcing Wives, if both parties agree if not the wife can ask an English Court to deal with it The only part of the UK that still has Laws on Blasphemy is Northern Ireland, no such Offence in England or Wales as far as I am aware How this Koran brought to school by one of the Pupils was apparently slightly damaged be accident if so no offence, if the boy who brought it to school bought it his personal property if damaged deliberately no offence The School suspended the boys involved hasty decision IMO, but as the boys have been threatened probably by Muslim Religious Zealots for this storm in a tea cup perhaps for the better to calm things down, the Police obviously were made aware of the threats made so recorded it and became involved , but as the Mother of the Autistic Boy has stated she does not want them to pursue or prosecute anyone, therefore the Police cannot even if they wanted to take it any further which I very much doubt. IMHO As for Sonia Sodha the lead writer for the Guardian the fountain of all knowledge and accuracy, she claims the Handbook issued to Police was found to be unlawful last year, why I don't know not explained in here, but what I do know the publishes of these Handbooks are usually published by Blackstone's well known publisher and trusted by the legal profession for years, first port of call on Legislation that is why every Court in England and Wales has them to refer to same for every Solicitor, Lawyer, KC, and Legal Scholars. Time that some Muslims who live here and adhere strictly Sharia Laws and customs that rules their entire lives 24/7 were told this is not a Muslim Country, if you don't like it Foxtrot Oscar go somewhere else Except some fools who find their attempts to use county court judgements against islamics who default on their dues and then use their collective knowledge to dance rings round the court system then offer ‘sharia arbitration’ which the infidels try in desperation and then get their fingers well and truly burned. We had a spate of it here which for some reason stopped about 2018. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 19, 2023 1:38:37 GMT
FFS it's just a book. If it were a bible whould the same fuss be made? Has a bible beliving christian off couse I would but would ‘the authorities’ do anything ? I rather doubt it, one can’t have the king’s name dragged in to a demand he abide by the long standing duty to defend THE faith, especially when he himself is looking for a way to dump that, can one |
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Post by walterpaisley on Mar 19, 2023 9:04:04 GMT
Bigamy is illegal in this country, unless you're a Muslim. Sharia marriages aren't recognised in UK law. Look it up. Bigamy is still illegal for everyone. |
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