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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 16:08:52 GMT
That doent show where I support the disrucution of any religious text. try again |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 16:39:48 GMT
Look at the article involving a 'student dropping a certain book on the floor' and tell me she is wrong... will she do anything, though? I doubt it.......The Home Secretary is absolutely correct. The authorities intentionally look under the wrong rock. Home Secretary warns political correctness has created a 'blind spot' for Islamist extremism to operate 'under our radar' - after report accused Prevent of focusing too much on Right-wing terrorism Suella Braverman was speaking at a counter-extremism conference last night She added: 'There can be no place for political correctness in national security' www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11810935/Home-Secretary-warns-political-correctness-created-blind-spot-Islamist-extremism.htmlI think Mi5 are right to treat Islamic and far right wing terrorist threats in equal measures seeing 30% of all prevented terrorist attacks was far right actavives So it seems 'far right terrorism' comes from within the whole white community of the UK which is about 45 million people in the population, the Islamic terrorism comes from a group that is about 5 million people of the whole population or if you like about 80% and 7% of the population respectively. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 17:01:47 GMT
I think Mi5 are right to treat Islamic and far right wing terrorist threats in equal measures seeing 30% of all prevented terrorist attacks was far right actavives So it seems 'far right terrorism' comes from within the whole white community of the UK which is about 45 million people in the population, the Islamic terrorism comes from a group that is about 5 million people of the whole population or if you like about 80% and 7% of the population respectively. Or put It in other words the far right community in Britain is very small i suggest less then 1 % of the countrys population but make up 30% of prevented terriost attacis by Mi5. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 17:11:22 GMT
So it seems 'far right terrorism' comes from within the whole white community of the UK which is about 45 million people in the population, the Islamic terrorism comes from a group that is about 5 million people of the whole population or if you like about 80% and 7% of the population respectively. Or put It in other words the far right community in Britain is very small i suggest less then 1 % of the countrys population but make up 30% of prevented terriost attacis by Mi5. What you suggest is nonsense as we do not know who is far right or who is radical Islamist. Frequently we hear that a Muslim who has blown himself up was a quiet, well behaved good Muslim so we can only look at those who follow Islam in the round. The same goes for the 'far right' grouping as that is just as difficult to pin down as regards who is in that list. What you are suggesting is looking only at far right and only at radical Muslims. I think you will have extreme difficulty in defining each group but since you have quoted 1% you must have a definition in mind as that is about 300,000 adults in the UK. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 17:18:23 GMT
Or put It in other words the far right community in Britain is very small i suggest less then 1 % of the countrys population but make up 30% of prevented terriost attacis by Mi5. What you suggest is nonsense as we do not know who is far right or who is radical Islamist. Frequently we hear that a Muslim who has blown himself up was a quiet, well behaved good Muslim so we can only look at those who follow Islam in the round. The same goes for the 'far right' grouping as that is just as difficult to pin down as regards who is in that list. What you are suggesting is looking only at far right and only at radical Muslims. I think you will have extreme difficulty in defining each group but since you have quoted 1% you must have a definition in mind as that is about 300,000 adults in the UK. The Mi5 seem to have no problem pinning down radical elements of Islam and the far right hence there success in preventing more terriost attacks |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 17:33:17 GMT
What you suggest is nonsense as we do not know who is far right or who is radical Islamist. Frequently we hear that a Muslim who has blown himself up was a quiet, well behaved good Muslim so we can only look at those who follow Islam in the round. The same goes for the 'far right' grouping as that is just as difficult to pin down as regards who is in that list. What you are suggesting is looking only at far right and only at radical Muslims. I think you will have extreme difficulty in defining each group but since you have quoted 1% you must have a definition in mind as that is about 300,000 adults in the UK. The Mi5 seem to have no problem pinning down radical elements of Islam and the far right hence there success in preventing more terriost attacks However the ones they miss can often be those that are the devout, as opposed the radical, Muslims. You still put the figure at 1% for far rightI am keen to know how you arrived at that. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 17:39:23 GMT
The Mi5 seem to have no problem pinning down radical elements of Islam and the far right hence there success in preventing more terriost attacks However the ones they miss can often be those that are the devout, as opposed the radical, Muslims. You still put the figure at 1% for far rightI am keen to know how you arrived at that. I suggested less then 1% but what does It matter how low the far right figure is they were impelmented in 30% of prevented terriost attacks |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 20:05:55 GMT
However the ones they miss can often be those that are the devout, as opposed the radical, Muslims. You still put the figure at 1% for far rightI am keen to know how you arrived at that. I suggested less then 1% but what does It matter how low the far right figure is they were impelmented in 30% of prevented terriost attacks Yes but the whole point is to consider how the 'far right' are found in the first place, what drives them, what forces play on them, from which communities do they arise and what is watched in order to discover them. For Islam it is easy, you observe Islamic communities and assess the dangers of all that you observe there. What is the context for observation of the 'far right'. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 20:20:37 GMT
I suggested less then 1% but what does It matter how low the far right figure is they were impelmented in 30% of prevented terriost attacks Yes but the whole point is to consider how the 'far right' are found in the first place, what drives them, what forces play on them, from which communities do they arise and what is watched in order to discover them. For Islam it is easy, you observe Islamic communities and assess the dangers of all that you observe there. What is the context for observation of the 'far right'. Seeing most far right members are lone wolfs it would be hard to pin point them .Many seem to have activitie with such groups has BNP and National acton has for what forces them ite pure hatred like islamic extermist . i fail to see the point your trying to make |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 2, 2023 23:13:03 GMT
Yes but the whole point is to consider how the 'far right' are found in the first place, what drives them, what forces play on them, from which communities do they arise and what is watched in order to discover them. For Islam it is easy, you observe Islamic communities and assess the dangers of all that you observe there. What is the context for observation of the 'far right'. Seeing most far right members are lone wolfs it would be hard to pin point them .Many seem to have activitie with such groups has BNP and National acton has for what forces them ite pure hatred like islamic extermist . i fail to see the point your trying to make The point is if one is seeking a far right terrorist one has to have a starting point. You could say the whole population but realistically you would exclude Muslims, black people, probably Jews, Chinese and Indians. So you would not seek out the 'far right' in those areas or from those communities. So your starting point is in the main White people, probably British, but also European. That is your base group you are seeking the far right within. Just as if you are seeking Islamic terrorists you exclude non-Muslims and your starting group is Muslims. In both groups you then start narrowing it down but those are your starting options. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 23:18:26 GMT
Seeing most far right members are lone wolfs it would be hard to pin point them .Many seem to have activitie with such groups has BNP and National acton has for what forces them ite pure hatred like islamic extermist . i fail to see the point your trying to make The point is if one is seeking a far right terrorist one has to have a starting point. You could say the whole population but realistically you would exclude Muslims, black people, probably Jews, Chinese and Indians. So you would not seek out the 'far right' in those areas or from those communities. So your starting point is in the main White people, probably British, but also European. That is your base group you are seeking the far right within. Just as if you are seeking Islamic terrorists you exclude non-Muslims and your starting group is Muslims. In both groups you then start narrowing it down but those are your starting options. The BNP was a registered legal political party with a manifesto, and yet today it is far-right terrorist? Meanwhile, children are being persecuted and having death threats directed to them over dropping a book in school.
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Post by totheleft3 on Mar 2, 2023 23:30:04 GMT
The BNP was a registered legal political party with a manifesto, and yet today it is far-right terrorist? Meanwhile, children are being persecuted and having death threats directed to them over dropping a book in school.
Sinn fin are a legal political party with a manifesto and seen has a terroist supporting party whats your point. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 23:33:26 GMT
The BNP was a registered legal political party with a manifesto, and yet today it is far-right terrorist? Meanwhile, children are being persecuted and having death threats directed to them over dropping a book in school.
Sinn fin are a legal political party with a manifesto and seen has a terroist supporting party whats your point. The BNP never had a militant arm that attempted to mass-murder the British government. It was a legal political party, whether you agreed with them or not. Is that point clear enough for you or will you fail to comprehend it like most posts you respond to?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 23:35:39 GMT
I suggested less then 1% but what does It matter how low the far right figure is they were impelmented in 30% of prevented terriost attacks Yes but the whole point is to consider how the 'far right' are found in the first place, what drives them, what forces play on them, from which communities do they arise and what is watched in order to discover them. For Islam it is easy, you observe Islamic communities and assess the dangers of all that you observe there. What is the context for observation of the 'far right'.Being a suspected caricaturist? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2023 23:58:01 GMT
A recent audit revealed the Prevent Programme had identified the comedies Yes minister and The Thick Of It as red flags of right wing extremism I actually have the DVD set of Yes Minister. The idea that I have extremist material in my possession can only be extremist. I don't even think Xi would go that far, even though North Korea locks people up over watching Hollywood made films. |
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