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Post by Steve on Mar 6, 2023 14:15:13 GMT
So Muddle and Jonksy can't actually debate
Well nothing new there then
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 6, 2023 15:50:45 GMT
Well, if you want to debate with the dictionary then crack on!  |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 16:02:23 GMT
So Muddle and Jonksy can't actually debateWell nothing new there then And neither can you whithout you your trig point. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 6, 2023 16:46:16 GMT
Well at least it's been a prime example of the Stevie-Go-Round:
1) It's pointed out that Steve is wrong.
2) Steve denies being wrong.
3) Steve is shown proof that he is wrong.
4) Steve attempts to deflect with semantics and sophistry.
5) These are debunked and it's pointed out that Steve is still wrong.
6) Steve further attempts to deflect with denial/assumed victimhood/whataboutery/strawman arguments/personal abuse and/or outright lies.
7) These are debunked and it's pointed out that Steve is still wrong.
8) Return to Step 2 until everyone else is totally bored and Steve claims to have won.
Steve was wrong It was pointed out that he was wrong Steve sarcastically referred me to the dictionary... Which proved that Steve was wrong!
Own goal or what? 
Steve is now attempting to blame the dictionary/assume victimhood.
Everyone else is now laughing and will soon get totally bored of Steve's wriggling.
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 6, 2023 17:44:25 GMT
Waking them up will show up a number of courses of action: 1) They'll jack the job in. 2) They'll get the sack. 3) They'll realise they're just not up to it. 4) Their education was sadly lacking. 5) It's averyone else's fault, especially patients. I phoned my county health trust a few times and when I did get through, I thought I was talking to the geriatric club. Firstly, whoever was responsible had obviously failed to do their job. So when the evidence was put to Boris by his own advisers, he became the person who had the responsibility to see that something was done about it. Secondly, you find out who has direct responsibility for ensuring that the reserves of Pandemic equipment are kept up to date and take it from there. I have not seen evidence of just who was responsible, have you? You post the PM is also supposed to run the NHS despite it having its own organisational hierarchy ? Someone called Amanda Pritchard is CEO and controls a £150bn budget - where do you think the PM fits in |
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 18:14:59 GMT
Firstly, whoever was responsible had obviously failed to do their job. So when the evidence was put to Boris by his own advisers, he became the person who had the responsibility to see that something was done about it. Secondly, you find out who has direct responsibility for ensuring that the reserves of Pandemic equipment are kept up to date and take it from there. I have not seen evidence of just who was responsible, have you? You post the PM is also supposed to run the NHS despite it having its own organisational hierarchy Someone called Amanda Pritchard is CEO and controls a £150bn budget - where do you think the PM fits in No you are wrong, I have never even suggested that the "PM is supposed to run the NHS", that suggestion was a false accusation made by someone else. I have no idea where Amanda Pritchard fits in with the upgrading of Pandemic reserve products, do you have proof of where she fits in? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 18:16:39 GMT
Toreador ... "Aha, that must be whey the NHS is so much better organised than the private sector." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually its difficult to compare, mainly because there is no private sector organisation which is anywhere near as big as our NHS. However, research done some time ago, again for "The Kings Fund", found that a routine procedure ( Cataract removal ), was both cheaper and more efficiently done by the NHS as compared to the private sector. I personaly find the NHS to be very efficient, I order prescriptions on-line, and they are then transfered to the pharmacy of my choice, and if I call the local hospital or GP centre, someone actually answers ... FROM the hospital or GP Centre, as opposed to the private sector, where someone would probably answer you eventually, from Bombay or Delhi. Hmm, not convinced. An efficient organisation would know the value of stock rotation and not be reliant on the PM to do it for them. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 18:20:33 GMT
Now google evidence ('an indication or sign')
Attack the source rather than the substance eh? LOL! But you're still wrong.
Tell you what, Stevie - why don't you go argue with the Oxford Dictionary?
Meanwhile, have a "Golden Whoiney" for your spectacular own goal!
I'm sure he is not the least bit interested in second hand goods from you  |
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 18:32:14 GMT
Toreador ... "Aha, that must be whey the NHS is so much better organised than the private sector." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Actually its difficult to compare, mainly because there is no private sector organisation which is anywhere near as big as our NHS. However, research done some time ago, again for "The Kings Fund", found that a routine procedure ( Cataract removal ), was both cheaper and more efficiently done by the NHS as compared to the private sector. I personaly find the NHS to be very efficient, I order prescriptions on-line, and they are then transfered to the pharmacy of my choice, and if I call the local hospital or GP centre, someone actually answers ... FROM the hospital or GP Centre, as opposed to the private sector, where someone would probably answer you eventually, from Bombay or Delhi. Hmm, not convinced. An efficient organisation would know the value of stock rotation and not be reliant on the PM to do it for them. Even Boris can slip up LOL. Can you provide positive proof of just who was responsible for the rotation of Pandemic reserve equipment ? And maybe explain why the information of the lapse was forwarded to Boris and not to the people you suggest were responsible? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 18:44:08 GMT
Hmm, not convinced. An efficient organisation would know the value of stock rotation and not be reliant on the PM to do it for them. Even Boris can slip up LOL. Can you provide positive proof of just who was responsible for the rotation of Pandemic reserve equipment And maybe explain why the information of the lapse was forwarded to Boris and not to the people you suggest were responsible? Yes - NHS Supply Chain. It certainly is not the PM's job as you claim to go sorting through the warehouse looking at expiry dates. |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 6, 2023 18:56:40 GMT
You post the PM is also supposed to run the NHS despite it having its own organisational hierarchy Someone called Amanda Pritchard is CEO and controls a £150bn budget - where do you think the PM fits in No you are wrong, I have never even suggested that the "PM is supposed to run the NHS", that suggestion was a false accusation made by someone else. I have no idea where Amanda Pritchard fits in with the upgrading of Pandemic reserve products, do you have proof of where she fits in? She is CEO (that is the Big Boss) of NHS England paid more than the PM Most reasonable people would consider that running the NHS is her job It isn't the job of the PM to ensure stock rotation |
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 19:10:28 GMT
Even Boris can slip up LOL. Can you provide positive proof of just who was responsible for the rotation of Pandemic reserve equipment And maybe explain why the information of the lapse was forwarded to Boris and not to the people you suggest were responsible? Yes - NHS Supply Chain. It certainly is not the PM's job as you claim to go sorting through the warehouse looking at expiry dates. Proof that it is included in the NHS Supply Chain please, and how often they were supposed to be updated, which IIRC was not on an annual basis. The reason I ask is because my first knowledge that these reserves actually existed was when Brown brought it up around 2008/09. Why are you making up lies about me? People will begin to think you really are as stupid as your post suggests. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 19:14:45 GMT
No you are wrong, I have never even suggested that the "PM is supposed to run the NHS", that suggestion was a false accusation made by someone else. I have no idea where Amanda Pritchard fits in with the upgrading of Pandemic reserve products, do you have proof of where she fits in? She is CEO (that is the Big Boss) of NHS England paid more than the PM Most reasonable people would consider that running the NHS is her job It isn't the job of the PM to ensure stock rotation I know ^^^ so why are you avoiding the question, if you have no positive proof just say so. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 6, 2023 19:29:23 GMT
Most reasonable people would consider that running the NHS is her job
Don't be crazy, someone getting paid a huge salary to be in charge of £180 billion budget has no responsibility, it will be somebody else.
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Post by see2 on Mar 6, 2023 19:31:40 GMT
UK government stockpiles containing protective equipment for healthcare workers in the event of a pandemic fell in value by almost 40% over the past six years, the Guardian has found. According to official figures at least 19 UK healthcare workers had died after contracting coronavirus. Frontline medical staff have complained of PPE shortages, which they say are putting lives at risk. Accounts suggest funding for “stockpiled goods” that are “held for use in national emergencies” was increased between 2008 and 2011, when pandemic preparedness was identified as a national priority for the NHS. But since 2013 the value of the stockpile has fallen. www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years
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