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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 14:39:49 GMT
Just found 6 cans of tinned tomatoes in one of my Dad's food cabinet, he has mild dementia........ When my father had demetia he had thousands of frigging OXO cubes stored in the fridge. LOL. Apologies, shouldn't laugh. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 14:42:19 GMT
When my father had demetia he had thousands of frigging OXO cubes stored in the fridge. LOL. Apologies, shouldn't laugh. I laugh about it mate it kept me going in those dark days.... |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 25, 2023 15:31:43 GMT
F off. Energy is pricey because of Putin's war and gas prices, I have told you this several times and you are now officially stupid. Indeed, I agree relying so much on Putin's gas was a huge mistake. But why do you suppose Europe and to a lesser extent the UK were so heavily reliant on Russian gas? Do you honestly think replacing thousands of reliable coal fired power stations with thousands of unreliable wind turbines had nothing to do with it? ZG, clearly and for whatever reason your mind is made up, all I can say is, there are those who cant see, and there are those who refuse to see. Sadly, you firmly fall into the latter group. I think our reliance of foreign fossil fuels is because we chose not to rely on our own. But I don't see how it can be blamed on wind turbines. Follow the story. The UK government in 1990 decides that over the next 40 years we will convert to renewable energy as much as possible. They knew this would not be immediate and so made plans to provide energy in the meantime. This is where your point comes in, for instead of developing fracking and extracting our own gas we would buy it cheaper from Norway on the world market. I have no objection to us developing our own gas reserves to fill the gap in renewable production. I think we should have done it 20 years ago, but at the time Russian gas was cheap and I don't think the public would have agreed to paying more just to have our own supplies. What I do not agree with is that any of this is the fault of windfarms. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 16:02:56 GMT
Indeed, I agree relying so much on Putin's gas was a huge mistake. But why do you suppose Europe and to a lesser extent the UK were so heavily reliant on Russian gas? Do you honestly think replacing thousands of reliable coal fired power stations with thousands of unreliable wind turbines had nothing to do with it? ZG, clearly and for whatever reason your mind is made up, all I can say is, there are those who cant see, and there are those who refuse to see. Sadly, you firmly fall into the latter group. I think our reliance of foreign fossil fuels is because we chose not to rely on our own. But I don't see how it can be blamed on wind turbines. Follow the story. The UK government in 1990 decides that over the next 40 years we will convert to renewable energy as much as possible. They knew this would not be immediate and so made plans to provide energy in the meantime. This is where your point comes in, for instead of developing fracking and extracting our own gas we would buy it cheaper from Norway on the world market. I have no objection to us developing our own gas reserves to fill the gap in renewable production. I think we should have done it 20 years ago, but at the time Russian gas was cheap and I don't think the public would have agreed to paying more just to have our own supplies. What I do not agree with is that any of this is the fault of windfarms. The only reason we didn't rely on our own (Coal) was to appease people who insisted it was dirty and polluting. For example, the pit that supplied the power station I worked at was litterally next door to the power station. The coal was transferred via conveyor belts, no transport involved. The pit was opened in 1960, it was a modern state of the art pit and even though it was breaking production records it was closed in 1990. But the power station still needed 9,000 tonnes of coal every day. So for the next 26 years until it closed in 2016 the station burned 9,000t a day of Columbian or Russian coal, occasionally Indonesian coal. Rather than burning our own coal from the pit next door, we shipped it in from pits on the other side of the world where miners died on a daily basis. But people in this country couldn't see the big picture, all they could see were pits closing in this country and they thought it was progress. And please don't say foreign coal was cheaper, yes it was cheaper to get coal to the surface in Columbia, but it cost a fortune to load it onto trains and transport it to docks where it was loaded onto ships bound for Bristol. At Bristol the coal was unloaded onto huge stockpiles before being loaded onto lorries and trains and transported hundred of miles on gridlocked roads to wherever it was needed. And this operation went on 24 hours a day 7 days a week for 25 to 30 years. A train would bring in 1,400t a lorry 30t, and we needed 9,000t a day. And we were just one of many power stations in the same situation. Shipping coal from the other side of the world when we had millions of tonnes in the ground in this country was just as economically incompetent as shipping billions of cubic metres of shale gas from the US when we have trillions of cubic meters in the ground in this country. Wind farms will never provide cheap and reliable energy 24/7. They will, indeed do provide back up energy to the grid when it's windy, but the reality is industry cant rely on the wind and as renewable energy gets increasingly expensive, as it will, we will see more of our industry moving to China where energy is cheap because they have a coal based economy. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 25, 2023 16:07:46 GMT
This is why it’s the ecoworriers who are modern day luddites ^
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Post by Toreador on Feb 25, 2023 16:58:13 GMT
Indeed, I agree relying so much on Putin's gas was a huge mistake. But why do you suppose Europe and to a lesser extent the UK were so heavily reliant on Russian gas? Do you honestly think replacing thousands of reliable coal fired power stations with thousands of unreliable wind turbines had nothing to do with it? ZG, clearly and for whatever reason your mind is made up, all I can say is, there are those who cant see, and there are those who refuse to see. Sadly, you firmly fall into the latter group. I think our reliance of foreign fossil fuels is because we chose not to rely on our own. But I don't see how it can be blamed on wind turbines. Follow the story. The UK government in 1990 decides that over the next 40 years we will convert to renewable energy as much as possible. They knew this would not be immediate and so made plans to provide energy in the meantime. This is where your point comes in, for instead of developing fracking and extracting our own gas we would buy it cheaper from Norway on the world market. I have no objection to us developing our own gas reserves to fill the gap in renewable production. I think we should have done it 20 years ago, but at the time Russian gas was cheap and I don't think the public would have agreed to paying more just to have our own supplies. What I do not agree with is that any of this is the fault of windfarms. The UK government also decided to build several North Sea gas power stations as the coal fired ones were withdrawn. It was a ploy to reduce carbon footprints. In Germany they closed many coal mines having done a deal to buy French nuclear electricity, again to reduce their carbon footprint. The whole thing was a deception. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 25, 2023 17:01:03 GMT
I think our reliance of foreign fossil fuels is because we chose not to rely on our own. But I don't see how it can be blamed on wind turbines. Follow the story. The UK government in 1990 decides that over the next 40 years we will convert to renewable energy as much as possible. They knew this would not be immediate and so made plans to provide energy in the meantime. This is where your point comes in, for instead of developing fracking and extracting our own gas we would buy it cheaper from Norway on the world market. I have no objection to us developing our own gas reserves to fill the gap in renewable production. I think we should have done it 20 years ago, but at the time Russian gas was cheap and I don't think the public would have agreed to paying more just to have our own supplies. What I do not agree with is that any of this is the fault of windfarms. Maggie destroyed the coal mines because she was fed up with the miners holding the country to ransom. (The miners were the only people to actually strike in WW2.) It had nothing to do with renewable energy, you keep trying to blame it on. Further British coal reserves were getting harder to reach and mines were uneconomical compared to Argentinian even allowing for shipping it. It was also the case that burning coal creates tons of local pollution, DRAX converts to burning wood pellets As far as I'm aware imported coal WAS cheaper In monetary terms, opencast mining is far cheaper than using local deep pits, and shipping coal is relatively cheap.
Digging a 2Km shaft and then a 4Km tunnel to reach a coal face is expensive, so is the machinery and skilled labour required to do this, extract the coal, along with disposing of the unwanted spoil, in a relatively environmentally friendly manner.See above. Here we agree. A we have discussed before, wind energy has proved remarkably reliable, but it is never the intention to rely solely of wind and solar. Net zero does not mean this. Wind energy has also proven to be cheap. When first developed contracts involved weekly maintenance inspections, but this was quickly dropped as unnecessary and maintenance is now far cheaper than expected at 2.1p per Kwh. Gas was around 2.6p (before the Ukraine war) We are not there yet and this Russian war is blurring the data. Long term there will be a whole combination of Nuclear, Hydro, Storage, Smart usage, tidal and interconnectors. But as I say we are not there yet. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 25, 2023 17:33:27 GMT
"Tomato shortage could last until May"So seasonal food becomes available in season - hold the front page.. 
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Post by bancroft on Feb 25, 2023 17:33:51 GMT
Just found 6 cans of tinned tomatoes in one of my Dad's food cabinet, he has mild dementia........ When my father had demetia he had thousands of frigging OXO cubes stored in the fridge. He also has 8 cans of vegetable curry in another cupboard yet now with the meds he is on he wont eat them.  |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 26, 2023 2:37:51 GMT
The shortage is caused by one thing... our supermarkets treat suppliers like shit, it has been going on for decades.
They make them sign up to long term contracts on fixed prices and then refuse to budge if the supplier's costs rise.
eg we have a shortage of eggs because the supermarkets won't increase the price so producers (faced with massive increases in energy costs) have scaled back or shut up shop completely.
From what I am hearing, crop yield in Spain and Northern Africa is low because of low temperatures. Our scumbag supermarkets still want to pay the fixed price (with massively long payment terms), where as most European countries pay whatever the price is on the day... so the suppliers are prioritizing them.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 26, 2023 6:35:21 GMT
You have to laugh at the posters who believe we need to have more renewable energy production and transition over to electric cars to save the planet, but who are then outraged at thought we might stop flying in Asparagus 4000 miles from Kenya. I'm outraged at the fact that even during asparagus season my local COOP is still importing it from Peru and does not stock any grown locally in Norfolk or Suffolk. I refuse to eat anything that has been flown in to the country just so it is available out of season. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 26, 2023 7:37:33 GMT
The shortage is caused by one thing... our supermarkets treat suppliers like shit, it has been going on for decades. They make them sign up to long term contracts on fixed prices and then refuse to budge if the supplier's costs rise. eg we have a shortage of eggs because the supermarkets won't increase the price so producers (faced with massive increases in energy costs) have scaled back or shut up shop completely. From what I am hearing, crop yield in Spain and Northern Africa is low because of low temperatures. Our scumbag supermarkets still want to pay the fixed price (with massively long payment terms), where as most European countries pay whatever the price is on the day... so the suppliers are prioritizing them. Yes I've heard the same. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 26, 2023 9:50:52 GMT
Mmmm...turnips and gammon, Nige would definitely approve...  |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 26, 2023 9:59:28 GMT
Cant say I am particularly bothered, there is an Italian bloke on the telly who catches every single one.Prices will have to rise of course.
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Post by thomas on Feb 26, 2023 10:03:12 GMT
The shortage is caused by one thing... our supermarkets treat suppliers like shit, it has been going on for decades. They make them sign up to long term contracts on fixed prices and then refuse to budge if the supplier's costs rise. eg we have a shortage of eggs because the supermarkets won't increase the price so producers (faced with massive increases in energy costs) have scaled back or shut up shop completely. From what I am hearing, crop yield in Spain and Northern Africa is low because of low temperatures. Our scumbag supermarkets still want to pay the fixed price (with massively long payment terms), where as most European countries pay whatever the price is on the day... so the suppliers are prioritizing them. Yes I've heard the same.
I thought this article i posted over on the scottish thread was resonably balanced and it takes apart the "oh look theres a squirrel "comments from brexiters about problems being europe wide.
Yes , parts of ireland are affected , yes , there is issue with bad weather , poor crops and energy problems , but the article makes the point europe isnt experienceing the issues brexit uk is , and that brexit is making the minor europe wide issues much worse for the uk.
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