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Post by sheepy on Feb 23, 2023 16:13:21 GMT
So you believe that then? No, of course he doesn't, it's PP's way of passive aggressive fun. PP is another Covid cultist. Hands, face and space used to be his tagline. He is a born liar, but then he only got away with that for so long.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 23, 2023 17:55:29 GMT
Full of bias and propaganda you say! No I have an opinion based on his actions and the consequences of them. Cannot you acknowledge he made the world a more dangerous place,the Arab spring how’s that going? He alone has made himself one of Britains most hated politicians,he did that no one else. You may admire him but that’s not more widely felt. "Based on his actions and the consequences of them". But not on the necessity of them. No not the world but he did involve the UK in the Middle East problems. President Assad of Syria did more damage than Blair when he set his troops against citizens who were demonstrating against him. Blair was not responsible for the Arab Spring, the Arabs involved were. Vile dishonest propaganda against Blair is mostly to blame for his tarnished reputation. I admire the truth regardless of whether it is pro or anti Blair. It all depends which way you read his political manoeuvres,this is not propaganda imo but evidence of his money making and political turnarounds to suit himself. Whatever you might think he encouraged the Arab spring and tried to project a western style of politics on people who neither wanted it or were ready for it either. english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011%2F06%2F11%2F152831
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 16:42:30 GMT
"Based on his actions and the consequences of them". But not on the necessity of them. No not the world but he did involve the UK in the Middle East problems. President Assad of Syria did more damage than Blair when he set his troops against citizens who were demonstrating against him. Blair was not responsible for the Arab Spring, the Arabs involved were. Vile dishonest propaganda against Blair is mostly to blame for his tarnished reputation. I admire the truth regardless of whether it is pro or anti Blair. It all depends which way you read his political manoeuvres,this is not propaganda imo but evidence of his money making and political turnarounds to suit himself. Whatever you might think he encouraged the Arab spring and tried to project a western style of politics on people who neither wanted it or were ready for it either. english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011%2F06%2F11%2F152831 Without some proof, your first point is just your opinion, which you are perfectly entitled to. Your website on your second point doesn't open on my computer. I would agree that Blair was in favour of the Arab Spring, i.e. in favour of democracy. Can't see anything wrong with that especially as it is also what the people involved wanted.
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 16:48:34 GMT
The likelihood is that a lot more is known about you than you can even begin to imagine. That's society today. It's unlikely that anyone or any agency knows more about me than 'I could even begin to imagine'. There is no record of me on any social media. I do not carry a hand held tracker. I do not do online banking. I do not shop or pay bills on line. I regularly use cash rather than card. I don't use store loyalty cards. I am aware we all leave a trail, but I intentionally leave less of a trail than most people today. You have revealed plenty about your opinions, which say a lot about you, on forums, so don't think for one moment they are ignored by those payed to see what's going on in society.
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 16:53:55 GMT
I missed the deceitful use of Tory Blair first time round. Can't understand why some people behave so childishly.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 24, 2023 17:07:11 GMT
I missed the deceitful use of Tory Blair first time round. Can't understand why some people behave so childishly. Why is it,did Thatcher not say Tony Blair and new labour was her greatest achievement?
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 17:23:47 GMT
I missed the deceitful use of Tory Blair first time round. Can't understand why some people behave so childishly. Why is it,did Thatcher not say Tony Blair and new labour was her greatest achievement? She did, but I suspect you have no idea why she said it considering that Blair did so much to change so many of the things she did. I think the obvious reason she said it is staring people in the face. Which is that Blair moved the Labour party to a center-left position, away from any domination by trade union leaders.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 24, 2023 18:25:40 GMT
Why is it,did Thatcher not say Tony Blair and new labour was her greatest achievement? She did, but I suspect you have no idea why she said it considering that Blair did so much to change so many of the things she did. I think the obvious reason she said it is staring people in the face. Which is that Blair moved the Labour party to a center-left position, away from any domination by trade union leaders. Oh I understand only too well why she said it,despite what people say there was little difference between them,his obsession which continues to this day with ID cards,the pfi fiasco. He carried on with much she started not least privatisation and we are where we are now through that no energy security,the water companies,and the nhs
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 23:42:33 GMT
She did, but I suspect you have no idea why she said it considering that Blair did so much to change so many of the things she did. I think the obvious reason she said it is staring people in the face. Which is that Blair moved the Labour party to a center-left position, away from any domination by trade union leaders. Oh I understand only too well why she said it,despite what people say there was little difference between them,his obsession which continues to this day with ID cards,the pfi fiasco. He carried on with much she started not least privatisation and we are where we are now through that no energy security,the water companies,and the nhs So you know little or nothing about the changes to Thatcher's nonsense made by New Labour. That explains your position. No energy security! Thatcher sold off water, electricity, gas, oil. And Cable & Wireless which won the Queens Award to Industry just before she sold it to her friends in the stock exchange. Maybe you are a bit too young to remember these things?
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 5:45:27 GMT
It's unlikely that anyone or any agency knows more about me than 'I could even begin to imagine'. There is no record of me on any social media. I do not carry a hand held tracker. I do not do online banking. I do not shop or pay bills on line. I regularly use cash rather than card. I don't use store loyalty cards. I am aware we all leave a trail, but I intentionally leave less of a trail than most people today. You have revealed plenty about your opinions, which say a lot about you, on forums, so don't think for one moment they are ignored by those payed to see what's going on in society. I have every confidence that as an extreme lefty you would have me jailed for having opinions you disagree with.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 7:23:08 GMT
You have revealed plenty about your opinions, which say a lot about you, on forums, so don't think for one moment they are ignored by those payed to see what's going on in society. I have every confidence that as an extreme lefty you would have me jailed for having opinions you disagree with. He hates having that FACT being pointed out mate...Like all the closet lefties who supposedly voted to leave the EUSSR..
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Post by wapentake on Feb 25, 2023 8:09:52 GMT
Oh I understand only too well why she said it,despite what people say there was little difference between them,his obsession which continues to this day with ID cards,the pfi fiasco. He carried on with much she started not least privatisation and we are where we are now through that no energy security,the water companies,and the nhs So you know little or nothing about the changes to Thatcher's nonsense made by New Labour. That explains your position. No energy security! Thatcher sold off water, electricity, gas, oil. And Cable & Wireless which won the Queens Award to Industry just before she sold it to her friends in the stock exchange. Maybe you are a bit too young to remember these things? No I’m not too young I’m well aware of who privatised what and well aware who continued that policy. Energy security means long term plans to safeguard our energy supplies clearly Blair and other administrations did nothing toward that. A govts duty is first and foremost to the people of this country Blair’s adventures with Bush only endangered us. He continued with his disastrous pfi initiatives and privatisation by the back door. As you have probs with some internet links
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Post by see2 on Feb 25, 2023 9:37:04 GMT
You have revealed plenty about your opinions, which say a lot about you, on forums, so don't think for one moment they are ignored by those payed to see what's going on in society. I have every confidence that as an extreme lefty you would have me jailed for having opinions you disagree with. As an extreme Righty you have just shown how you are prepared to make up a lie in an attempt to make a point. It is the sort of thing I expect from Righties.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 9:44:06 GMT
I have every confidence that as an extreme lefty you would have me jailed for having opinions you disagree with. As an extreme Righty you have just shown how you are prepared to make up a lie in an attempt to make a point. It is the sort of thing I expect from Righties. An extreme righty, lol. This is your problem, anyone who is even slightly to the right of Trotsky is in your opinion a right wing extremist. This is not annoying, it's amusing see. Btw, the lie you mentioned! I'm afraid you have me at a disadvantage. Care to elaborate.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 25, 2023 10:12:31 GMT
Oh I understand only too well why she said it,despite what people say there was little difference between them,his obsession which continues to this day with ID cards,the pfi fiasco. He carried on with much she started not least privatisation and we are where we are now through that no energy security,the water companies,and the nhs So you know little or nothing about the changes to Thatcher's nonsense made by New Labour. That explains your position. No energy security! Thatcher sold off water, electricity, gas, oil. And Cable & Wireless which won the Queens Award to Industry just before she sold it to her friends in the stock exchange. Maybe you are a bit too young to remember these things? The first duty of any PM is to look after the concerns of the citizens as a whole and see to their safety and well being. How one internally organises that is always a matter of debate. What is very much to the fore is how a PM and his/her government sees to that first duty. Thatcher always had that to the forefront of her policies irrespective of whether one agrees with them or not. Major saw Europe as that route. Blair wanted to be an international statesman and as such deferred the well being of the British electorate to that end. Internally tinkering and throwing money at problems was Blair forte delegated to those around him. The world stage was his desire, and to a lesser degree Brown's. All of the UK was coopeted into his bid to be a world leader and as such it makes him more hated than Thatcher ever was, most especially by those who gave him their support in the early days. In effect he destroyed the UK as a cohesive society of any sort.
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