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Post by vlk on Feb 27, 2023 18:20:10 GMT
In 1997 everybody was tired of the Tory-government. Even Neil Kinnock would have won. Perhaps even Michael Foot would have won.
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Post by see2 on Feb 27, 2023 20:02:46 GMT
In 1997 everybody was tired of the Tory-government. Even Neil Kinnock would have won. Perhaps even Michael Foot would have won. By a landslide? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 3, 2023 13:26:41 GMT
Given that there was expected to be wars roughly around every 25 years, then steel could not have been left in unreliable private ownership. The steel industry was nationalised in 1967 - a successful nationalisation or not?  The steel industry was first nationalised in 1949 and denationalised by the Tories in 1951 when it was already showing improved production. Renationalised as you say in 1967. IIRC, by 1970 both Germany and the UK had helped build steel production plants in Africa and most sheet metal was being imported from Africa. And there was the period 1970 to around the mid 1980s which were troubled by a lasting rumbling recession, the one that led Japanese shipyards in the early 1980s, to renege on their promise of "Jobs for life" in the shipyards. Perhaps by 1990 the UK was no longer in need of the high steel production of previous years. My guess is that the biggest fly in the ointment was that rumbling recession. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 3, 2023 16:19:04 GMT
The steel industry was nationalised in 1967 - a successful nationalisation or not? The steel industry was first nationalised in 1949 and denationalised by the Tories in 1951 when it was already showing improved production. Renationalised as you say in 1967. IIRC, by 1970 both Germany and the UK had helped build steel production plants in Africa and most sheet metal was being imported from Africa. And there was the period 1970 to around the mid 1980s which were troubled by a lasting rumbling recession, the one that led Japanese shipyards in the early 1980s, to renege on their promise of "Jobs for life" in the shipyards. Perhaps by 1990 the UK was no longer in need of the high steel production of previous years. My guess is that the biggest fly in the ointment was that rumbling recession. Note how it started to grow following the Attlee nationalisation but as we came out of WW2 it would have done that anyway. Then see the decline in the 1970s and particularly under Labour in the late 70s which gradually built up in the 1990s and then back down under Blair never to really recover. It's high time you and many others realised we do not have the calibre of politicians in the mainstream parties to run this country. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 3, 2023 16:54:09 GMT
The steel industry was first nationalised in 1949 and denationalised by the Tories in 1951 when it was already showing improved production. Renationalised as you say in 1967. IIRC, by 1970 both Germany and the UK had helped build steel production plants in Africa and most sheet metal was being imported from Africa. And there was the period 1970 to around the mid 1980s which were troubled by a lasting rumbling recession, the one that led Japanese shipyards in the early 1980s, to renege on their promise of "Jobs for life" in the shipyards. Perhaps by 1990 the UK was no longer in need of the high steel production of previous years. My guess is that the biggest fly in the ointment was that rumbling recession. Note how it started to grow following the Attlee nationalisation but as we came out of WW2 it would have done that anyway. Then see the decline in the 1970s and particularly under Labour in the late 70s which gradually built up in the 1990s and then back down under Blair never to really recover. It's high time you and many others realised we do not have the calibre of politicians in the mainstream parties to run this country. So outsourcing some steel production and the rumbling recession of the 1970s played no part, nor did the fact that the UK was earning a living through Financial Services under New Labour play a part. The only thing your post reveals is your one eyed approach to that part of our history. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 3, 2023 16:57:26 GMT
Note how it started to grow following the Attlee nationalisation but as we came out of WW2 it would have done that anyway. Then see the decline in the 1970s and particularly under Labour in the late 70s which gradually built up in the 1990s and then back down under Blair never to really recover. It's high time you and many others realised we do not have the calibre of politicians in the mainstream parties to run this country. So outsourcing some steel production and the rumbling recession of the 1970s played no part, nor did the fact that the UK was earning a living through Financial Services under New Labour play a part. The only thing your post reveals is your one eyed approach to that part of our history.  |
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Post by see2 on Mar 3, 2023 17:05:28 GMT
So outsourcing some steel production and the rumbling recession of the 1970s played no part, nor did the fact that the UK was earning a living through Financial Services under New Labour play a part. The only thing your post reveals is your one eyed approach to that part of our history. That might have been a bit harsh, I'll reinstate both of your eyes  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2023 17:22:08 GMT
Well, here's a view that we are all being scammed, worldwide and digital ID could be a part of the control scheme being linked with climate "emergency", carbon credits, digital cashless society, etc. www.bitchute.com/video/AsSiI7CK89oF/ |
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Post by Orac on Mar 21, 2023 17:41:18 GMT
You pay for everything with your telephone and your telephone will be turned off unless you comply. This wont be democratically addressable because it will all be enforced ostensibly 'privately' through something like ESG
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Post by wapentake on Mar 21, 2023 17:43:11 GMT
Well, here's a view that we are all being scammed, worldwide and digital ID could be a part of the control scheme being linked with climate "emergency", carbon credits, digital cashless society, etc. www.bitchute.com/video/AsSiI7CK89oF/Yes and good old Tone the war criminal champions this. |
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Post by wapentake on Mar 21, 2023 17:44:50 GMT
The first part is not in dispute. Your second point is speculation. Well competition does tend to lead to better services See2 as opposed to a monopoly . Water & energy,Really? |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 21, 2023 18:21:32 GMT
That might have been a bit harsh, I'll reinstate both of your eyes Aha, now onder you call yourself see2, what did your previous name mean, c...2  |
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