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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 13:06:26 GMT
You prove otherwise....I am not your slave...She knew exactly what she was doing and if the ISIS cell she went to join were still in action she would be singing a different tune and calling out as not to fit to walk thise earth....The sooner someone gives her a third eye the better for us all. I don't have to 'prove' otherwise, you and people like you have already decided, I for one do not know but I do know that is what British law courts are for and not mob mentality. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 13:09:13 GMT
You prove otherwise....I am not your slave...She knew exactly what she was doing and if the ISIS cell she went to join were still in action she would be singing a different tune and calling out as not to fit to walk thise earth....The sooner someone gives her a third eye the better for us all. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. What does age have to do with it FFS....She is old enough by the wokey left to have a gender change well below the age of 15... |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 13:14:01 GMT
Catch 22
Because you let Begumy's family in, her crime now becomes your crime and so you can't exclude her - because it's all your fault.
It's a little like arguing that because you allowed someone into your house any crime they commit against you is your fault.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 23, 2023 13:22:21 GMT
Imo she is a social pathogen and keeping her out of the UK will give a clear message to others who would do the same.
The usual suspects might get a warm and fuzzy feeling if we were weak enough to let her back into the UK.
They should be ignored .
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 13:29:51 GMT
You prove otherwise....I am not your slave...She knew exactly what she was doing and if the ISIS cell she went to join were still in action she would be singing a different tune and calling out as not to fit to walk thise earth....The sooner someone gives her a third eye the better for us all. I don't have to 'prove' otherwise, you and people like you have already decided, I for one do not know but I do know that is what British law courts are for and not mob mentality. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. Why would you expect UK responsibility but place no responsibility of her family, her community and her religion? We are supposedly multicultural where ethnic groups/cultures are valued as individual entities in an almost autonomous way. Without her culture, community and religion acting as they did and do she would almost certainly not have gone. We have culpability for allowing that to happen in our country but 'fair does' if a group wants respect as a group they have to take the rough with the smooth. and take the blame where it is due. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 13:36:20 GMT
I don't have to 'prove' otherwise, you and people like you have already decided, I for one do not know but I do know that is what British law courts are for and not mob mentality. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. Why would you expect UK responsibility but place no responsibility of her family, her community and her religion? We are supposedly multicultural where ethnic groups/cultures are valued as individual entities in an almost autonomous way. Without her culture, community and religion acting as they did and do she would almost certainly not have gone. We have culpability for allowing that to happen in our country but 'fair does' if a group wants respect as a group they have to take the rough with the smooth. and take the blame where it is due. So sandy you say she should be judged not as an individual but for her ethnicity and religion. Do you not realise how prejudiced that is? |
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 13:44:33 GMT
It's not necessarily judging the culture etc. She made a choice to join a foreign, and enemy, army of campfire sadists - ie people who burn their opponents alive on open campfires and upload the footage to the internet.
The British government has the utmost and deep respect for all ethnicities, cultures and religions, as has sandy I'm sure
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 13:47:11 GMT
Why would you expect UK responsibility but place no responsibility of her family, her community and her religion? We are supposedly multicultural where ethnic groups/cultures are valued as individual entities in an almost autonomous way. Without her culture, community and religion acting as they did and do she would almost certainly not have gone. We have culpability for allowing that to happen in our country but 'fair does' if a group wants respect as a group they have to take the rough with the smooth. and take the blame where it is due. So sandy you say she should be judged not as an individual but for her ethnicity and religion. Do you not realise how prejudiced that is? I did not say that. I said that her parents, culture, religion and community bear a responsibility for what has happened to her. It is these aspects that have help foster the circumstances which resulted in her leaving. It was in reply to a view that the UK must take that responsibility as a singularity yet most of us have had no say in how that community operates or how it involves itself in events abroad and those from abroad. That is not to say the UK has no responsibility as a unit but as a unit it is a Multicultural entity with various groups demanding, expecting and, from the state at least, receiving respect. She was from one of those such groups not part of British culture but wishing to be individual, and in practice separate, from British culture. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 13:48:51 GMT
It's not necessarily judging the culture etc. She made a choice to join a foreign, and enemy, army of campfire sadists - ie people who burn their opponents alive on open campfires and upload the footage to the internet. The British government has the utmost and deep respect for all ethnicities, cultures and religions, as has sandy I'm sure Despite what he posted? Her story is she was entice into a trap and became trapped, feel free to show your disproof of it. Moving on, this is all going to revolve around whether she was a Bangladesh citizen when Javid made his decision. If she was then there is no way she should come back here but if she wasn't then she's our problem. That this latest court appears to have started with the presumption that she is a Bangladesh citizen (despite Bangladesh saying 'oh no she isn't) is just one of many lines of possible appeal. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 13:49:58 GMT
So sandy you say she should be judged not as an individual but for her ethnicity and religion. Do you not realise how prejudiced that is? I did not say that. I said that her parents, culture, religion and community bear a responsibility for what has happened to her. It is these aspects that have help foster the circumstances which resulted in her leaving. It was in reply to a view that the UK must take that responsibility as a singularity yet most of us have had no say in how that community operates or how it involves itself in events abroad and those from abroad. That is not to say the UK has no responsibility as a unit but as a unit it is a Multicultural entity with various groups demanding, expecting and, from the state at least, receiving respect. She was from one of those such groups not part of British culture but wishing to be individual, and in practice separate, from British culture. keep digging You're saying she has to be judged by what you perceive as the standards of the group you feel she is part of |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 13:52:55 GMT
It's not necessarily judging the culture etc. She made a choice to join a foreign, and enemy, army of campfire sadists - ie people who burn their opponents alive on open campfires and upload the footage to the internet. The British government has the utmost and deep respect for all ethnicities, cultures and religions, as has sandy I'm sure Despite what he posted? Her story is she was entice into a trap and became trapped, feel free to show your disproof of it. Moving on, this is all going to revolve around whether she was a Bangladesh citizen when Javid made his decision. If she was then there is no way she should come back here but if she wasn't then she's our problem. That this latest court appears to have started with the presumption that she is a Bangladesh citizen (despite Bangladesh saying 'oh no she isn't) is just one of many lines of possible appeal. Despite what you thought I posted. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 23, 2023 13:54:20 GMT
If she killed her parents . Steve would be making excuses for her because she was an orphan.
She was resourceful enough to find her way into ISIS and willingly participated in it.
Let her rot where she is .
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 14:13:59 GMT
Her story is she was entice into a trap and became trapped, feel free to show your disproof of it. It's a ready made, likely unfalsifiable story. Btw - she was trapped by what? I ask, because if a big bearded man approached me and suggested I move to Syria and join a band serial killers, I would be very likely refuse. So what is special about this woman that makes her vulnerable and me not? any ideas? Perhaps Sandy's point was more considered than you gave it credit for? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 17:57:06 GMT
So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. What does age have to do with it FFS....She is old enough by the wokey left to have a gender change well below the age of 15... She was legally a child. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 17:58:48 GMT
I don't have to 'prove' otherwise, you and people like you have already decided, I for one do not know but I do know that is what British law courts are for and not mob mentality. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. Why would you expect UK responsibility but place no responsibility of her family, her community and her religion? We are supposedly multicultural where ethnic groups/cultures are valued as individual entities in an almost autonomous way. Without her culture, community and religion acting as they did and do she would almost certainly not have gone. We have culpability for allowing that to happen in our country but 'fair does' if a group wants respect as a group they have to take the rough with the smooth. and take the blame where it is due. When did I say the family bore no responsibility? |
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