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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 0:19:05 GMT
Are all Islamic states considered rogue? You cannot escape that she went there freely and embraced it,till all went wrong. Where does the UN convention on children stand on states that allow the age of consent to be so low. Under different circumstances I might have more empathy for the girl. I have no empathy for her but the fact is she is British and this is positioning the UK as a rogue state.I know of no state that places Islam as its core law that can be considered anything other than appalling but you mentions Isis and iran and they are particularly poor examples. She wasn't forced to leave... |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 23, 2023 5:51:25 GMT
Ultimately I doubt that we can stop Begum from coming back, for practical and international agreement reasons.
Whether we should assist her to come back however, is an entirely different argument.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 23, 2023 6:26:05 GMT
It's interesting that when a court rules in favour of someone's prejudice, it's considered to be done by the book and justice has been served.
Yet, when a court rules against someone's prejudice (Begum being the victim), in this case removing British citizenship from a vile human-being of the worst kind, the country that judge rules in now suddenly becomes a "rogue state" and the court
is wrong and justice hasn't been served.
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Post by wapentake on Feb 23, 2023 9:20:41 GMT
Are all Islamic states considered rogue? You cannot escape that she went there freely and embraced it,till all went wrong. Where does the UN convention on children stand on states that allow the age of consent to be so low. Under different circumstances I might have more empathy for the girl. I have no empathy for her but the fact is she is British and this is positioning the UK as a rogue state. I know of no state that places Islam as its core law that can be considered anything other than appalling but you mentions Isis and iran and they are particularly poor examples. But you castigate this country and cite our failure to adhere to UN convention thereby in your words making us a rogue state,you fail to answer how the UN would view Islamic states. Do you have any idea how many other states fail to adhere to all UN conventions and I’m talking here of western orientated,do you consider any other western states rogue states or just this country? |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 23, 2023 9:28:00 GMT
I have no empathy for her but the fact is she is British and this is positioning the UK as a rogue state.I know of no state that places Islam as its core law that can be considered anything other than appalling but you mentions Isis and iran and they are particularly poor examples. She wasn't forced to leave... She planned it and carried it out by Deception Intent on doing it with two others, she lied from the very moment she and her two friends entered the Airport |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 10:19:02 GMT
The other "Islamic" states in their names are Pakistan and Mauritania. Neither are shining examples of freedoms or human rights. Both persecute believers of other faiths. However "Islamic State" was an attempt to create a real state and for that reason Begum should have one of their passports.  She went to fight/assist a foreign enemy against advice to travel to Syria. She made her bed and can lie in it. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 11:14:57 GMT
I have no empathy for her but the fact is she is British and this is positioning the UK as a rogue state. I know of no state that places Islam as its core law that can be considered anything other than appalling but you mentions Isis and iran and they are particularly poor examples. But you castigate this country and cite our failure to adhere to UN convention thereby in your words making us a rogue state,you fail to answer how the UN would view Islamic states. Do you have any idea how many other states fail to adhere to all UN conventions and I’m talking here of western orientated,do you consider any other western states rogue states or just this country? BS, my record on so called Islamic states and their appalling disregard of UN conventions is available. Click for an example |
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Post by wapentake on Feb 23, 2023 12:03:26 GMT
But you castigate this country and cite our failure to adhere to UN convention thereby in your words making us a rogue state,you fail to answer how the UN would view Islamic states. Do you have any idea how many other states fail to adhere to all UN conventions and I’m talking here of western orientated,do you consider any other western states rogue states or just this country? BS, my record on so called Islamic states and their appalling disregard of UN conventions is available. Click for an exampleAnd so you quite falsely jump to it’s all BS,I asked you a question on this thread to surmise how the UN might view those states not you(specifically in regard to this country) I was not asking about your past posts nor should I be expected to peruse your record unless I’m questioning that. I also asked this Which you also failed to answer,as an aside you complain about how others react to you, is it any surprise when you steam in on so many occasions failing to read a post all guns blazing and waving I spy this or that smileys. Its a discussion not personal if you don’t want to answer without displaying a bruised ego it might be better not to at all. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 12:14:47 GMT
I suggest you read back over the posts and not get angry based on your false recollection of them.
Top tip: if you're asking a question use a question mark
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Post by wapentake on Feb 23, 2023 12:26:16 GMT
I suggest you read back over the posts and not get angry based on your false recollection of them. Top tip: if you're asking a question use a question mark . I rest my case |
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 12:32:55 GMT
Look you are attacking me for supposedly failing to answer a question you never asked of me. And one I wouldn't know the answer to and is apparently just irrelevant whataboutery.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 12:48:58 GMT
If you considered your ridiculous statement for one moment, you would realise that MI5 have stated that they have hard evidence that this person would be a threat to the security of the UK, therefore any trial would result in a substantial custodial sentence, paid for by my income tax. I am quite happy that she is left in a ramshackle and inhospitable tented camp, that was her choice and we should respect that. You hit the nail on the head. There has been no trial. Are we, as a country, that scared and incompetent that we could not secure a girl until she is tried and if necessary sentenced. She was born in this country and groomed in this country, that's what we should be concentrating on. Pakistan have denied that she has dual nationality but even if she did are all people in this country subject to being stripped of their nationality if they commit a crime? Or is it just people of a Muslim background. Racism, you bet. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 12:49:29 GMT
She wanted to go and become a citizen of the foreign country - we should respect that decision. She was 15 and being groomed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 12:49:52 GMT
I have no empathy for her but the fact is she is British and this is positioning the UK as a rogue state.I know of no state that places Islam as its core law that can be considered anything other than appalling but you mentions Isis and iran and they are particularly poor examples. She wasn't forced to leave... How do you know that? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 13:02:31 GMT
She wasn't forced to leave... How do you know that? You prove otherwise....I am not your slave...She knew exactly what she was doing and if the ISIS cell she went to join were still in action she would be singing a different tune and calling out as not to fit to walk thise earth....The sooner someone gives her a third eye the better for us all. |
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