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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 18:01:37 GMT
It's not necessarily judging the culture etc. She made a choice to join a foreign, and enemy, army of campfire sadists - ie people who burn their opponents alive on open campfires and upload the footage to the internet. The British government has the utmost and deep respect for all ethnicities, cultures and religions, as has sandy I'm sure Did she make the choice though? Its hard to claim that without a trial. Were there outside influences at work? You people have no clue as to what really happened, you believe what you want to believe.
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Post by Orac on Feb 23, 2023 18:13:11 GMT
It's not necessarily judging the culture etc. She made a choice to join a foreign, and enemy, army of campfire sadists - ie people who burn their opponents alive on open campfires and upload the footage to the internet. The British government has the utmost and deep respect for all ethnicities, cultures and religions, as has sandy I'm sure Did she make the choice though? Its hard to claim that without a trial. I don't think you need a trial to establish that she decided to leave.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 18:21:07 GMT
I did not say that. I said that her parents, culture, religion and community bear a responsibility for what has happened to her. It is these aspects that have help foster the circumstances which resulted in her leaving. It was in reply to a view that the UK must take that responsibility as a singularity yet most of us have had no say in how that community operates or how it involves itself in events abroad and those from abroad. That is not to say the UK has no responsibility as a unit but as a unit it is a Multicultural entity with various groups demanding, expecting and, from the state at least, receiving respect. She was from one of those such groups not part of British culture but wishing to be individual, and in practice separate, from British culture. keep digging You're saying she has to be judged by what you perceive as the standards of the group you feel she is part of Rubbish, I am not referring in anyway as regards the judgement of her. I am referring to who else is responsible for her actions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 18:21:54 GMT
This idea she was trafficked or groomed against her will at 15 is negated from her own mouth when she was interviewed in her black Muslim gear. She said, "Yes, I was 15, but I had the intellect and made my own decisions".
So some posters need to stop making stuff up.
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Post by sandypine on Feb 23, 2023 18:25:51 GMT
Why would you expect UK responsibility but place no responsibility of her family, her community and her religion? We are supposedly multicultural where ethnic groups/cultures are valued as individual entities in an almost autonomous way. Without her culture, community and religion acting as they did and do she would almost certainly not have gone. We have culpability for allowing that to happen in our country but 'fair does' if a group wants respect as a group they have to take the rough with the smooth. and take the blame where it is due. When did I say the family bore no responsibility? You did not, I inferred that from your post. You could clarify and say in what way and to what level her parents and her community etc. have responsibility and if they do have what 'lessons will be learned' going forward. So far it seems only the state is to take on board responsibility by way of trials, legal challenges and incarceration if applicable.
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Post by ratcliff on Feb 23, 2023 18:29:04 GMT
You prove otherwise....I am not your slave...She knew exactly what she was doing and if the ISIS cell she went to join were still in action she would be singing a different tune and calling out as not to fit to walk thise earth....The sooner someone gives her a third eye the better for us all. I don't have to 'prove' otherwise, you and people like you have already decided, I for one do not know but I do know that is what British law courts are for and not mob mentality. So a 15 year old girl 'decided' one day to upsticks to Syria to join a murderous regime with no 'prompting from anyone, seriously? She born in the UK, raised in the UK and groomed in the UK, but the UK accepts no responsibility. The age of criminal responsibility is 10 years in Britain, she was 15 She decided to leave the UK with her (now dead) mates and stole her sisters passport to use She can apply for a Bangladesh passport and (if they will take her )can join her parents in Bangladesh Otherwise she can stay where she is in a camp in Syria
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 18:44:37 GMT
What does age have to do with it FFS....She is old enough by the wokey left to have a gender change well below the age of 15... She was legally a child. Total bollocks....
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Post by Toreador on Feb 23, 2023 18:50:05 GMT
What does age have to do with it FFS....She is old enough by the wokey left to have a gender change well below the age of 15... She was legally a child. So why did she fuck?
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Post by Handyman on Feb 23, 2023 19:03:48 GMT
That is the reason she and her two friends went there, to produce more fighters for ISIS
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Post by jonksy on Feb 23, 2023 19:08:11 GMT
That is the reason she and her two friends went there, to produce more fighters for ISIS I find it absurd Handy the usuals class her as a child but that thing bumburger is a hero in their eyes..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 19:11:48 GMT
Labour's establishment Blairite Sir Starmer now agrees with the decision to keep her out. He changed his tune after it was decided. He must be disappointed with his minions, and I am sure he'll change his tune again.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 23, 2023 19:14:24 GMT
What does age have to do with it FFS....She is old enough by the wokey left to have a gender change well below the age of 15... She was legally a child. Yes and the people who should have looked after her, protected kept her safe from harm who were legally responsible for her, are her parents, but according to those who lodged an Appeal on her behalf now claim , the Police, her local Council and School should have protected her, FFS she was that devious nobody bloody knew, did her parents know what she was going to do ? if they did and did nothing one has to ask why not?
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Post by Steve on Feb 23, 2023 22:54:11 GMT
If she killed her parents . Steve would be making excuses for her because she was an orphan. She was resourceful enough to find her way into ISIS and willingly participated in it.Let her rot where she is . Oh you were there then were you and witnessed all these supposed events. Got a clever explanation of why we shouldn't bang you up in jail then? Unless of course you were just posting made up shite that suits your prejudices again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 23:58:35 GMT
If she killed her parents . Steve would be making excuses for her because she was an orphan. She was resourceful enough to find her way into ISIS and willingly participated in it.Let her rot where she is . Oh you were there then were you and witnessed all these supposed events. Got a clever explanation of why we shouldn't bang you up in jail then? Unless of course you were just posting made up shite that suits your prejudices again Why are you so emotionally attached to some evil eyed ISIS chick who is classified as a threat? After all, you're also creating threads telling us that far-right terrorism involves unknown people posting rude letters through letter boxes.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 24, 2023 0:18:43 GMT
If she killed her parents . Steve would be making excuses for her because she was an orphan. She was resourceful enough to find her way into ISIS and willingly participated in it.Let her rot where she is . Oh you were there then were you and witnessed all these supposed events. Got a clever explanation of why we shouldn't bang you up in jail then? Unless of course you were just posting made up shite that suits your prejudices again Calm down Gladys. The fact that she got there and her remarks pretty much indicates it. If you have any evidence that she was kidnapped then post it. Mind reading wonβt cut it .π
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