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Post by Pacifico on Feb 27, 2023 7:38:25 GMT
I don't know how anyone with just the one head can be so stupid as to want this lying terrorist bitch back into the UK is beyond my comprehension. She is lucky that she is still breathing , ISIS butchered thousands of men women and children that did not share their crazy religious beliefs, they even murdered UK citizens delivering aid to Syria to keep people alive and she was part of that willingly. You are making assumptions that she is guilty, I am saying a trial would find the evidence. Why the need for a trial about anything?. It is not illegal for UK citizens to decide to leave the UK and become citizens of somewhere else. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 8:17:09 GMT
You are making assumptions that she is guilty, I am saying a trial would find the evidence. She joined ISIS and for that she lost her citizenship, due to national security reasons. Between the years of 2006 an 2020, 426 people have had their British citizenship revoked - 175 of them for national security reasons. Begum is an addend into that number. Some of them have had their citizenship returned. You can have your citizenship removed if you have committed serious acts of terrorism and it does not make you stateless. Are we now saying that Begum murdered people? Still not convicted in a court of law. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 8:18:24 GMT
You are making assumptions that she is guilty, I am saying a trial would find the evidence. Why the need for a trial about anything?. It is not illegal for UK citizens to decide to leave the UK and become citizens of somewhere else. Yes, let's not have a trial mob justice will do. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 27, 2023 8:27:12 GMT
She joined ISIS and for that she lost her citizenship, due to national security reasons. Between the years of 2006 an 2020, 426 people have had their British citizenship revoked - 175 of them for national security reasons. Begum is an addend into that number. Some of them have had their citizenship returned. You can have your citizenship removed if you have committed serious acts of terrorism and it does not make you stateless. Are we now saying that Begum murdered people? Still not convicted in a court of law. It was revoked on grounds of national security. The HO has the right to do this. If you don't like this perhaps you need to get onto your local MP. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 27, 2023 8:27:35 GMT
Why the need for a trial about anything?. It is not illegal for UK citizens to decide to leave the UK and become citizens of somewhere else. Yes, let's not have a trial mob justice will do. There is no mob justice - just someone who decided she no longer wished to be a citizen of the UK. Which is not illegal and something that many people do each day. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 8:42:02 GMT
Why the need for a trial about anything?. It is not illegal for UK citizens to decide to leave the UK and become citizens of somewhere else. Yes, let's not have a trial mob justice will do. Maybe you could join the Jihadis and smash up a part of our heritage. You know, like BLM and the rest of the far-left mobs do. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2023 8:47:26 GMT
I don't know how anyone with just the one head can be so stupid as to want this lying terrorist bitch back into the UK is beyond my comprehension. She is lucky that she is still breathing , ISIS butchered thousands of men women and children that did not share their crazy religious beliefs, they even murdered UK citizens delivering aid to Syria to keep people alive and she was part of that willingly. You are making assumptions that she is guilty, I am saying a trial would find the evidence. I know I am wasting my time so I will type very slowly and you may understand this , Begum travelled to Syria with her two friends to join a Proscribed Terrorist Group ISIS she and they did so willingly, simply being a member of ISIS is Serious Criminal Offence in the UK and in many other countries, that is why her Citizenship was removed , not done lightly but Javid made that decision based on information evidence provided by our Security Services As for a trial to find evidence, you have that backwards first you have to find evidence of criminal activity then if strong enough then you can put a person on trial in order that a Jury can consider if a person is guilty or not. However as she cannot travel back to UK that will never happen, the reason is she is considered to be a serious risk to our security, we have enough suspected terrorists in our midst already we don't need another one to join their ranks |
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Post by patman post on Feb 27, 2023 9:10:32 GMT
Aren’t there allegations that Begum was involved in the murders of British citizens? If so, doesn’t that deserve to be investigated and if the evidence supports the allegations, shouldn’t she be brought to trial?
British soldiers can be accused of being involved in wrongfully killing people and brought to trial, so is Begum’s case so different?
Doesn’t the UK have extradition agreements exactly to get criminals back to administrations, whose laws they have broken and whose citizens they have harmed so they can stand trial…?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 11:56:38 GMT
Some of them have had their citizenship returned. You can have your citizenship removed if you have committed serious acts of terrorism and it does not make you stateless. Are we now saying that Begum murdered people? Still not convicted in a court of law. It was revoked on grounds of national security. The HO has the right to do this. If you don't like this perhaps you need to get onto your local MP. How do we know she is a risk to national security? Because she was there? How is she a risk to national security? There is no evidence that she has committed a 'serious' crime such as murder for which she can have her citizenship removed and I not heard anyone make that accusation. There is no evidence, and from what I gather no accusation that she has committed any beatings or murdered anyone and without a trial we will never now. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 11:58:48 GMT
Yes, let's not have a trial mob justice will do. There is no mob justice - just someone who decided she no longer wished to be a citizen of the UK. Which is not illegal and something that many people do each day. Of course it's mob justice and the Tories love it. Keeps your eyes of what they are doing. "give them a crisis, that'll keep them quiet".😒 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 12:00:46 GMT
Yes, let's not have a trial mob justice will do. Maybe you could join the Jihadis and smash up a part of our heritage. You know, like BLM and the rest of the far-left mobs do. Because I think British justice should be executed, I'm a terrorist sympathiser, don't talk such rubbish. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 12:07:41 GMT
You are making assumptions that she is guilty, I am saying a trial would find the evidence. I know I am wasting my time so I will type very slowly and you may understand this , Begum travelled to Syria with her two friends to join a Proscribed Terrorist Group ISIS she and they did so willingly, simply being a member of ISIS is Serious Criminal Offence in the UK and in many other countries, that is why her Citizenship was removed , not done lightly but Javid made that decision based on information evidence provided by our Security Services As for a trial to find evidence, you have that backwards first you have to find evidence of criminal activity then if strong enough then you can put a person on trial in order that a Jury can consider if a person is guilty or not. However as she cannot travel back to UK that will never happen, the reason is she is considered to be a serious risk to our security, we have enough suspected terrorists in our midst already we don't need another one to join their ranks I'll type even slower. We do not know what the circumstances are under which she travelled to Syria. How do you know "they did so willingly", show me the evidence and I will absorb it. What evidence information given by the security forces, remember Javid is a Tory and Tories are liars and cheat our tax system. Exactly, why can our government find no evidence. You keep saying she is 'considered a serious risk to our security" but offer no evidence to back it up. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2023 12:09:26 GMT
It's about domination and psychology.
The British public have to be put in their place and humiliating them in this way is a superb vehicle to that end.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 27, 2023 12:17:39 GMT
I know I am wasting my time so I will type very slowly and you may understand this , Begum travelled to Syria with her two friends to join a Proscribed Terrorist Group ISIS she and they did so willingly, simply being a member of ISIS is Serious Criminal Offence in the UK and in many other countries, that is why her Citizenship was removed , not done lightly but Javid made that decision based on information evidence provided by our Security Services As for a trial to find evidence, you have that backwards first you have to find evidence of criminal activity then if strong enough then you can put a person on trial in order that a Jury can consider if a person is guilty or not. However as she cannot travel back to UK that will never happen, the reason is she is considered to be a serious risk to our security, we have enough suspected terrorists in our midst already we don't need another one to join their ranks I'll type even slower. We do not know what the circumstances are under which she travelled to Syria. How do you know "they did so willingly", show me the evidence and I will absorb it. What evidence information given by the security forces, remember Javid is a Tory and Tories are liars and cheat our tax system. Exactly, why can our government find no evidence. You keep saying she is 'considered a serious risk to our security" but offer no evidence to back it up. I give up , you are too daft to be saved |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 27, 2023 14:02:17 GMT
It was revoked on grounds of national security. The HO has the right to do this. If you don't like this perhaps you need to get onto your local MP.
Because she was there? How is she a risk to national security? There is no evidence that she has committed a 'serious' crime such as murder for which she can have her citizenship removed and I not heard anyone make that accusation. There is no evidence, and from what I gather no accusation that she has committed any beatings or murdered anyone and without a trial we will never now. Because our security services have said so, they would give the same advice to any government and any government would be foolish to ignore it. Your defence of her and others is why people like you should never be involved in political decisions. |
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