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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 12:25:37 GMT
I think our Scottish correspondents would be well advised to get their money into an English Building Society, sell up and move south, it is looking very grim for them. The big problem with the scottish economy is of course englands brexit. The one part of the uk that traditionally did terrible economically , certainly all my life , was of course northern ireland.
Now northern ireland is the best performing part of the uk .I wonder why that is? Could it be anything to do with access to the single market and remaining under the ecj and having eu citizenship etc etc?
perish the thought om.
The majority of the levers of the scottish economy are controlled from london , not edinburgh . Thats why we need independence.
Northern Ireland economy has outperformed rest of UK, ONS figures show
Region’s third-quarter GDP only 0.3% below pre-pandemic levels, according to experimental new data
Northern Ireland economy outpacing post-Brexit Britain
Analysis finds unusual gains for Northern Ireland, the only UK region still able to trade goods barrier-free with the EU.
Those figures are out of date - NI is one of the slowest growing regions of the UK. Scotland is growing much faster than NI (and all other regions apart from London) Seems that being in the UK single market is better for the economy than being in the EU single market..  |
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2023 15:57:41 GMT
"I don't know who dreamt up the 'food shortages in England are caused by bad weather in Europe' nonsense but to be completely clear; we don't have any food shortages in Europe. "The shelves are heaving with fresh fruit and veg."
Seeing lots of photos of empty fruit & veg shelves in UK supermarkets with claims that it's the same all over Europe, blaming everything except Br*x*t.
So, this morning's selection in local market, shop and supermarket here in Catalonia (EU).
Britain's fruit & veg shortage is due to an 'extreme weather event' affecting the whole of Europe, according to the boss of Waitrose. This is nonsense. Brussels on a Monday before they finish stacking the shelves.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2023 16:01:35 GMT
Westminster Reserved economic powers
foreign affairs and international trade
fiscal, economic and monetary system, including most aspects of taxation
most social security benefits
tax credits and child benefit
the minimum wage
financial regulation
immigration
key aspects of energy policy, including North Sea revenues, generation and supply of electricity, and offshore oil and gas
trade and industry, including company law, competition, and consumer protection
cyber security
many aspects of transport
employment legislation, and industrial relations law
broadcasting and media regulation
telecommunications regulation.
Are you denying westmisnter controls the majority of scotland economy om? I mean only you would come on a forum , against the backdrop of the disaster that is the uk brexshit economy , and start slagging off the westmsinter controlled scottish economy totally unaware you are shooting yourself in both feet.
Thats what indepdence is all about om , in full fiscal control of your own country and making all the political decisions , including joining blocs like the eu and sharing sovereignty if you so wish.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2023 16:10:02 GMT
The big problem with the scottish economy is of course englands brexit. The one part of the uk that traditionally did terrible economically , certainly all my life , was of course northern ireland.
Now northern ireland is the best performing part of the uk .I wonder why that is? Could it be anything to do with access to the single market and remaining under the ecj and having eu citizenship etc etc?
perish the thought om.
The majority of the levers of the scottish economy are controlled from london , not edinburgh . Thats why we need independence.
Northern Ireland economy has outperformed rest of UK, ONS figures show
Region’s third-quarter GDP only 0.3% below pre-pandemic levels, according to experimental new data
Northern Ireland economy outpacing post-Brexit Britain
Analysis finds unusual gains for Northern Ireland, the only UK region still able to trade goods barrier-free with the EU.
Those figures are out of date - NI is one of the slowest growing regions of the UK. Scotland is growing much faster than NI (and all other regions apart from London) Seems that being in the UK single market is better for the economy than being in the EU single market.. The northern irish economy is faring better than its historic place as the butt end of the uk economy in terms of being above the uk average in increased trade levels, production and services , and raised interest from foreign investors.
" Amid looming recession, Northern Ireland’s unique dual market access may help soften the blow on the local economy."
The northern irish are facing the same issues many of the rest of us are , including in europe and elsewhere , with predictions of recession , and of course parts of the northern irish economy are still behind the uk average , but there is no doubt according to experts and the northern irish themselves the protocol has been a blessing economically. Which is why so many pro protocl mlas were voted in at the last election.
Support for the Northern Ireland Protocol is rising with a clear majority of voters viewing it as appropriate for managing the impact of Brexit here, according to a new opinion poll.
Some 55% of people agree that the protocol is a suitable arrangement — up 8% from a year ago — with 38% disagreeing.
Three-quarters of people want to see a UK-EU negotiated settlement to the outstanding issues around the protocol with 57% believing the government is unjustified in taking unilateral action to scrap parts of it.
The LucidTalk poll for Queen’s University, Belfast shows that 55% of voters believe that Brussels would be justified in taking retaliatory action if London does act unilaterally.
Some 55% of people think the protocol is having a positive impact on the Northern Ireland economy and 65% believe it offers unique opportunities that could benefit us.
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2023 16:20:52 GMT
The big problem with the scottish economy is of course englands brexit. The one part of the uk that traditionally did terrible economically , certainly all my life , was of course northern ireland.
Now northern ireland is the best performing part of the uk .I wonder why that is? Could it be anything to do with access to the single market and remaining under the ecj and having eu citizenship etc etc?
perish the thought om.
The majority of the levers of the scottish economy are controlled from london , not edinburgh . Thats why we need independence.
Northern Ireland economy has outperformed rest of UK, ONS figures show
Region’s third-quarter GDP only 0.3% below pre-pandemic levels, according to experimental new data
Northern Ireland economy outpacing post-Brexit Britain
Analysis finds unusual gains for Northern Ireland, the only UK region still able to trade goods barrier-free with the EU.
Those figures are out of date - NI is one of the slowest growing regions of the UK. Scotland is growing much faster than NI (and all other regions apart from London) Seems that being in the UK single market is better for the economy than being in the EU single market.. even 21 % of unionists are telling unionist parties to stop whinging about the protocol and get back to stormont.
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/voters-tell-dup-to-forget-about-ni-protocol-and-get-back-to-the-executive/1552788358.html
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Post by thomas on Feb 21, 2023 16:31:39 GMT
reports coming in from all over europe laughing about how the adverse weather conditions seem to have only affects the british island part of the yookay , but not the rest of europe.
Honestly vinny , you are in total denial now.
There is a point where your weak lame brexshit excuses are no longer taken seriously by anyone outside of the brexshit cult.
We have major brexshit tories ( gove)calling for meetings with labour to discuss brexshits failure , we have business crying the damage brexshit has done , and of course the bumbling clown johnson asking for ukraine to join the dastardly eu.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 21, 2023 17:01:08 GMT
thomasI think you overstate Westminster's role in suppressing Scotland's economy. Recently corporation tax is high yet only recently. The problem you have is that lots of Scots businesses will look to the English market which is bigger just the same as Corp HQs moving to Europe post Brexit. On the election I think you need to go through the normal process yet have the right to demand a date. Otherwise you have to build international support and find someone else to run the election that is respected by both parties to be impartial.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 21, 2023 20:21:21 GMT
When the boss of Morrisons says something, I believe him.
When an SNP cultist says something I don't believe.
Supermarket was well stocked when I went.
Even had no problems buying eggs.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 22:35:13 GMT
Those figures are out of date - NI is one of the slowest growing regions of the UK. Scotland is growing much faster than NI (and all other regions apart from London) Seems that being in the UK single market is better for the economy than being in the EU single market.. The northern irish economy is faring better than its historic place as the butt end of the uk economy in terms of being above the uk average in increased trade levels, production and services , and raised interest from foreign investors.
" Amid looming recession, Northern Ireland’s unique dual market access may help soften the blow on the local economy."
The northern irish are facing the same issues many of the rest of us are , including in europe and elsewhere , with predictions of recession , and of course parts of the northern irish economy are still behind the uk average , but there is no doubt according to experts and the northern irish themselves the protocol has been a blessing economically. Which is why so many pro protocl mlas were voted in at the last election.
Support for the Northern Ireland Protocol is rising with a clear majority of voters viewing it as appropriate for managing the impact of Brexit here, according to a new opinion poll.
Some 55% of people agree that the protocol is a suitable arrangement — up 8% from a year ago — with 38% disagreeing.
Three-quarters of people want to see a UK-EU negotiated settlement to the outstanding issues around the protocol with 57% believing the government is unjustified in taking unilateral action to scrap parts of it.
The LucidTalk poll for Queen’s University, Belfast shows that 55% of voters believe that Brussels would be justified in taking retaliatory action if London does act unilaterally.
Some 55% of people think the protocol is having a positive impact on the Northern Ireland economy and 65% believe it offers unique opportunities that could benefit us.
Sorry - but I'm not talking about opinion polls, I'm discussing economic performance. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 22, 2023 7:57:42 GMT
thomas I think you overstate Westminster's role in suppressing Scotland's economy. Recently corporation tax is high yet only recently. The problem you have is that lots of Scots businesses will look to the English market which is bigger just the same as Corp HQs moving to Europe post Brexit. On the election I think you need to go through the normal process yet have the right to demand a date. Otherwise you have to build international support and find someone else to run the election that is respected by both parties to be impartial. I dont think i do overstate westminsters role in running scotland economy. Almost all of its key economic levers – taxation, welfare, immigration and many more – are directly controlled by Westminster, as is roughly half of “Scottish” spending.
Your parliament has had three hundred years to get scotland into shape economically , and now you have failed spectacularly you are trying to tell us its our "devolved " parliaments fault?
That is what independence is about .........full economic control of our country. That has been a key snp policy for its entire existence. Full fiscal autonomy , yet westmisnter refuses to grant that power under devolution.
Westmisnter merely wants to aportion blame , not power , as we have seen for years regarding eec/eu membership.
We will have to wait and see. If a scottish government runs an election on an indy card , and the majority of scots vote for it , and the scots government repeals the acts of union and treaty , then no international organisation is going to save the uk for you.
The uk is held together by a treaty called the treaty of union , of which scotland is one half the signatory. Scotland is not a province of england.
We dont need your countries permission to leave.
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Post by thomas on Feb 22, 2023 8:04:38 GMT
The northern irish economy is faring better than its historic place as the butt end of the uk economy in terms of being above the uk average in increased trade levels, production and services , and raised interest from foreign investors.
" Amid looming recession, Northern Ireland’s unique dual market access may help soften the blow on the local economy."
The northern irish are facing the same issues many of the rest of us are , including in europe and elsewhere , with predictions of recession , and of course parts of the northern irish economy are still behind the uk average , but there is no doubt according to experts and the northern irish themselves the protocol has been a blessing economically. Which is why so many pro protocl mlas were voted in at the last election.
Support for the Northern Ireland Protocol is rising with a clear majority of voters viewing it as appropriate for managing the impact of Brexit here, according to a new opinion poll.
Some 55% of people agree that the protocol is a suitable arrangement — up 8% from a year ago — with 38% disagreeing.
Three-quarters of people want to see a UK-EU negotiated settlement to the outstanding issues around the protocol with 57% believing the government is unjustified in taking unilateral action to scrap parts of it.
The LucidTalk poll for Queen’s University, Belfast shows that 55% of voters believe that Brussels would be justified in taking retaliatory action if London does act unilaterally.
Some 55% of people think the protocol is having a positive impact on the Northern Ireland economy and 65% believe it offers unique opportunities that could benefit us.
Sorry - but I'm not talking about opinion polls, I'm discussing economic performance. Nice attempt to dodge , but they are all linked. If the NIP is that bad economically why do the majority support it in northern ireland , including 21 % of unionists who are telling the whingers in the DUP to get on with the day job and forget the protocol?
By every measurement and investigation , its mutually agreed that the NIP is helping northern ireland perform economically above its long term bottom of the barrell historical performance as the armpit of the uk economy.
Even unionists dont argue against that fact. Their argument is that it cuts northern ireland off from the rest of the uk .
Is that your argument for the NIP ? Brexshit is that bad you need northern ireland to be perfomring terribly economically like the rest of the uk so you can demand an end to the protocol not becuase you give a shit about the northern irish , but to save face for the brexiters?
What a terrible indictment of the brexit movement if so. Brexits days are numbered in my opinion. Theres only so much weasal words , and lame excuses the uk public are going to accept.
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Post by thomas on Feb 22, 2023 8:09:01 GMT
When the boss of Morrisons says something, I believe him. When an SNP cultist says something I don't believe. Supermarket was well stocked when I went. Even had no problems buying eggs. Vinny repeat after me.......thomas is not in the snp . Keep repeating it till it sinks into your brain.
Now getting back to empty shelves in supermarkets , i havent seen empty shelves anecdotally since covid. There is no doubt though reports are coming in from across the yookay that many people are not so fortunate , and of course the mrs regularly tells me after the weekly shop she cant get a hold of many of the staples we are used to buying.
Brexit is a fucking disaster. Wether or not you brexshit cultists accept that fact or not doesnt matter. What matters is what the majority of people think , and brexits days are numbered.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 22, 2023 8:50:57 GMT
Sorry - but I'm not talking about opinion polls, I'm discussing economic performance. Nice attempt to dodge , but they are all linked. If the NIP is that bad economically why do the majority support it in northern ireland , including 21 % of unionists who are telling the whingers in the DUP to get on with the day job and forget the protocol? By every measurement and investigation , its mutually agreed that the NIP is helping northern ireland perform economically above its long term bottom of the barrell historical performance as the armpit of the uk economy. Even unionists dont argue against that fact. Their argument is that it cuts northern ireland off from the rest of the uk . Is that your argument for the NIP Brexshit is that bad you need northern ireland to be perfomring terribly economically like the rest of the uk so you can demand an end to the protocol not becuase you give a shit about the northern irish , but to save face for the brexiters? What a terrible indictment of the brexit movement if so. Brexits days are numbered in my opinion. Theres only so much weasal words , and lame excuses the uk public are going to accept.
LOL - you seem to read a lot more into my posts than what is actually there. All I was doing was correcting the false impression given that the access to the Single Market given by the Protocol had made NI the fastest growing region in the UK - when nothing could be further from the truth. Personally I'd love NI to perform better economically as it would lessen the financial burden placed on the rest of the UK. Perhaps if it had Scotlands unrestricted access to the UK single market? |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 22, 2023 13:06:44 GMT
thomas I think you overstate Westminster's role in suppressing Scotland's economy. Recently corporation tax is high yet only recently. The problem you have is that lots of Scots businesses will look to the English market which is bigger just the same as Corp HQs moving to Europe post Brexit. On the election I think you need to go through the normal process yet have the right to demand a date. Otherwise you have to build international support and find someone else to run the election that is respected by both parties to be impartial. I dont think i do overstate westminsters role in running scotland economy. Almost all of its key economic levers – taxation, welfare, immigration and many more – are directly controlled by Westminster, as is roughly half of “Scottish” spending.
Your parliament has had three hundred years to get scotland into shape economically , and now you have failed spectacularly you are trying to tell us its our "devolved " parliaments fault?
That is what independence is about .........full economic control of our country. That has been a key snp policy for its entire existence. Full fiscal autonomy , yet westmisnter refuses to grant that power under devolution.
Westmisnter merely wants to aportion blame , not power , as we have seen for years regarding eec/eu membership.
We will have to wait and see. If a scottish government runs an election on an indy card , and the majority of scots vote for it , and the scots government repeals the acts of union and treaty , then no international organisation is going to save the uk for you.
The uk is held together by a treaty called the treaty of union , of which scotland is one half the signatory. Scotland is not a province of england.
We dont need your countries permission to leave.
Sounds a lot like what Catalonia tried to do and no country in Europe supported them. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 22, 2023 16:37:54 GMT
It isn't nonsense.
Tomatoes are out of season here.
Spain and Morocco have production shortages.
Your explanation is more remoaner crap Thomas.
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