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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 21:52:08 GMT
Thread title is a lie, which causes mild irritation. However it has been relieved somewhat by the news today, which is like ointment.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2023 6:48:38 GMT
Scotland has right to hold indyref2 without Westminster, experts argue
SCOTLAND does have the right to hold a referendum without the agreement of Westminster under a “people power” concept established at the time of the French Revolution, according to legal experts.
Academics at Cambridge University have argued holding a de facto referendum or wildcat vote are both in theory valid pathways to independence as Scots have “constituent power”.
But they have also warned either of these routes would be strewn with “political obstacles” and so reaching a “divorce agreement” with the UK Government is ultimately the only proper path to independence.
Dr Raffael Fasel and Dr Shona Wilson Stark examined the issue of alternative routes to an independence referendum following the Supreme Court ruling that approval from Westminster is required.
The Supreme Court disagrees and in the end thats really all that matters. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 16, 2023 9:36:40 GMT
Scotland has right to hold indyref2 without Westminster, experts argue
SCOTLAND does have the right to hold a referendum without the agreement of Westminster under a “people power” concept established at the time of the French Revolution, according to legal experts.
Academics at Cambridge University have argued holding a de facto referendum or wildcat vote are both in theory valid pathways to independence as Scots have “constituent power”.
But they have also warned either of these routes would be strewn with “political obstacles” and so reaching a “divorce agreement” with the UK Government is ultimately the only proper path to independence.
Dr Raffael Fasel and Dr Shona Wilson Stark examined the issue of alternative routes to an independence referendum following the Supreme Court ruling that approval from Westminster is required.
The Supreme Court disagrees and in the end thats really all that matters. The supreme court has no jurisdiction over scotland. The highest court in scotland is the court of session in Edinburgh .If foreign courts and organisations have the right to have a say over scotland , then of course we must take this to european and world organisation the uk is bound by , as we did when scots took the constant denial by westmisnter regarding "home rule" to the council of europe who ruled in scotland favour which prompted major , then blair to deal with the issue in the mid nineties onwards .
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Post by thomas on Feb 16, 2023 9:50:58 GMT
Thread title is a lie, which causes mild irritation. However it has been relieved somewhat by the news today, which is like ointment. you will have to elaborate.
All peoples and nations across the world have a right to self determination as enshirned by internaional law at the united nations.
Every empire, controlling country or organisation in history has deemed it illegal for regions or nations to leave over the course of that history. It still happend though , with 62 nations alone leaving westmisnter rule .
Had that alleged illegality had any ground to stand on , there would be 200 odd countires self governeing in the world today , and we would still be stuck in the roman empire or some other ancient entity.
What news recently has alleviated your irritation and why?
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Post by Vinny on Feb 16, 2023 9:56:53 GMT
It's over Thomas.
Scotland had the vote and rejected your proposal.
The UK is not an empire. It is a democratic country with a shared history of four non sovereign states in union in one sovereign country.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 9:59:13 GMT
Thread title is a lie, which causes mild irritation. However it has been relieved somewhat by the news today, which is like ointment. you will have to elaborate.
All peoples and nations across the world have a right to self determination as enshirned by internaional law at the united nations.
Every empire, controlling country or organisation in history has deemed it illegal for regions or nations to leave over the course of that history. It still happend though , with 62 nations alone leaving westmisnter rule .
Had that alleged illegality had any ground to stand on , there would be 200 odd countires self governeing in the world today , and we would still be stuck in the roman empire or some other ancient entity.
What news recently has alleviated your irritation and why?
1. The supreme court says you can't. The UK Supreme court says no. 2. Nicola Sturgeon the separatist has been defeated by her own hand. How low down the chain do people have this fabled right to self determination Thomas? Birmingham? Yardley Gobion? Glasgow? Scotland is a part of the union. Had its referendum and your lot lost. Now get back in your box and eat yer porridge, Jock.  |
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Post by borchester on Feb 16, 2023 10:00:11 GMT
The Supreme Court disagrees and in the end thats really all that matters. The supreme court has no jurisdiction over scotland. The highest court in scotland is the court of session in Edinburgh .If foreign courts and organisations have the right to have a say over scotland , then of course we must take this to european and world organisation the uk is bound by , as we did when scots took the constant denial by westmisnter regarding "home rule" to the council of europe who ruled in scotland favour which prompted major , then blair to deal with the issue in the mid nineties onwards .
Hoolyrood has the right to do whatever it can get away with. And if it decided that it wanted to hold indyref2 there is not much anyone else can do about it. But it looks as though little Nicky has read the runes and realised that come the referendum, the Nats will get their dials wiped. So she has jumped ship.
The Nats will now proclaim that everything is the fault of Westminster, the Labour party and everyone else, but the bottom line is that they have done a shit job of selling independence to the Scottish electorate.
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Post by thomas on Feb 16, 2023 10:00:55 GMT
It's over Thomas. Scotland had the vote and rejected your proposal. The UK is not an empire. It is a democratic country with a shared history of four non sovereign states in union in one sovereign country. The uk is a multi national state that is held together by the treaty of union 1707. When the three nation kingdom of england joined with the kingdom of scotland. Its a kingdom , not a country.
Under international law , either kingdom/nation/country has the right to withdraw from that treaty.
Only anti democrats like yourself cannot accept that.
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Post by thomas on Feb 16, 2023 10:06:58 GMT
you will have to elaborate.
All peoples and nations across the world have a right to self determination as enshirned by internaional law at the united nations.
Every empire, controlling country or organisation in history has deemed it illegal for regions or nations to leave over the course of that history. It still happend though , with 62 nations alone leaving westmisnter rule .
Had that alleged illegality had any ground to stand on , there would be 200 odd countires self governeing in the world today , and we would still be stuck in the roman empire or some other ancient entity.
What news recently has alleviated your irritation and why?
1. The supreme court says you can't. The UK Supreme court says no. 2. Nicola Sturgeon the separatist has been defeated by her own hand. How low down the chain do people have this fabled right to self determination Thomas? Birmingham? Yardley Gobion? Glasgow? Scotland is a part of the union. Had its referendum and your lot lost. Now get back in your box and eat yer porridge, Jock. Strange post from someone who has stated over many years he doesnt care about scotland , wishes at times scotland would leave , now is openly admitting he is irritated by thoughts of scottish indy and demanding we listen to some english court saying no? 
Well scotland is one of the oldest countries in europe , with secure borders that have been intact for 800 years.
Interesting that the shetland is british argument ( in terms of partitioninng scotland as punishemnt of we leave the yookay) had died a death when the brit nats realise
1. sheltand has no oil gas.
2. Shetland has just recently voted to not support king charles coronation in terms of haveing a bank holiday.
Democracy is a neverendum black.
Now stop your anti democratic arguments , and be a good christian. Set my people free!
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Post by Vinny on Feb 16, 2023 10:08:25 GMT
The UK is a composite country.
Scotland is a non sovereign state and voted to stay that way.
Get over it and stop behaving like a jilted fascist.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2023 10:12:33 GMT
1. The supreme court says you can't. The UK Supreme court says no. 2. Nicola Sturgeon the separatist has been defeated by her own hand. How low down the chain do people have this fabled right to self determination Thomas? Birmingham? Yardley Gobion? Glasgow? Scotland is a part of the union. Had its referendum and your lot lost. Now get back in your box and eat yer porridge, Jock. Strange post from someone who has stated over many years he doesnt care about scotland , wishes at times scotland would leave , now is openly admitting he is irritated by thoughts of scottish indy and demanding we listen to some english court saying no?
Well scotland is one of the oldest countries in europe , with secure borders that have been intact for 800 years.
Interesting that the shetland is british argument ( in terms of partitioninng scotland as punishemnt of we leave the yookay) had died a death when the brit nats realise
1. sheltand has no oil gas.
2. Shetland has just recently voted to not support king charles coronation in terms of haveing a bank holiday.
Democracy is a neverendum black.
Now stop your anti democratic arguments , and be a good christian. Set my people free!
Learn to understand English. I posted "Thread title is a lie, which causes mild irritation." That does not equate to being irritated by thoughts of Scottish Indy. Dishonest argument. Have an emoticon to make it light hearted.  Oh, and you need to read what the UN actually say about self determination, then you might understand that as well. |
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Post by om15 on Feb 16, 2023 10:23:41 GMT
Just heard the figures of a poll taken, (presumably in Scotland), 12 % of those asked said that they thought Sturgeon was a successful FM, 88% didn't think that.
Hmm.
She was successful in trashing independence, Ill give her that.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 16, 2023 11:10:47 GMT
It's over Thomas. Scotland had the vote and rejected your proposal. The UK is not an empire. It is a democratic country with a shared history of four non sovereign states in union in one sovereign country. The uk is a multi national state that is held together by the treaty of union 1707. When the three nation kingdom of england joined with the kingdom of scotland. Its a kingdom , not a country.
Under international law , either kingdom/nation/country has the right to withdraw from that treaty.
Only anti democrats like yourself cannot accept that.
So go do it then. Pull the plug. Stop pissing about with the trying to justify the SNP’s actions with a fucking referendum, just go erect barbed wire fences and declare fucking UDI. |
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Post by Tinculin on Feb 16, 2023 14:30:14 GMT
The Supreme Court has already ruled on this.
And yes, unlike the Scottish parliament, has the authority to do this.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 16, 2023 15:01:06 GMT
Out of £600,000 donated to the party for a ring fenced "independence" fund specifically put together to fight a referendum, the party has just £96k left and took a loan of £100,000 from Thickie Sturgeon's husband.
Is a Police investigation the real reason for her resignation ?
And after all this turmoil for the SNP, the matter of whether Scotland will ever leave the UK is surely settled.
It won't.
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