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Post by borchester on Feb 12, 2023 19:01:22 GMT
under which law wouldnt it be legal vinny . British law. It's very simple, the power to call such referendums lies with our government in London. Well yes, but if the Scots said something brisk and went ahead anyway, I doubt that there is much that can be done. We could raise a regiment of Sikhs in London who would be a match for anything north of the border. But they are mostly accountants and pissheads, so as soon as they hit the first distillery they would pull out their laptops, look at the figures, decide that Scotland was not worth the effort, get shitfaced and that would be that.
I don't like to say this because right now Alba Shaor is about the only game in town, but I reckon that in a few years this Scottish nationalist lark will burn itself out
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:14:53 GMT
under which law wouldnt it be legal vinny . British law. It's very simple, the power to call such referendums lies with our government in London. never heard of this "british law". If you are refferring to english law , english law doesnt apply in scotland. We use scots law.
Anymore than french law applies in england.
Now we have been over this argument numerous times vinny.
England has told 62 countires around the world , including our near neighbours in ireland , it was illegal for them to leave englands empire. What happened?
They left.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 12, 2023 20:15:00 GMT
I think Scotland should approach the Supreme Court and ask when they would be able to hold another Independence Referendum and then if they think this is too long look to do this independently yet who would verify this as a true and fair election if done independently?
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:16:54 GMT
British law. It's very simple, the power to call such referendums lies with our government in London.
I don't like to say this because right now Alba Shaor is about the only game in town, but I reckon that in a few years this Scottish nationalist lark will burn itself out
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Post by Vinny on Feb 12, 2023 20:40:25 GMT
The supreme court has already ruled against the SNP cultists.
It's over.
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:42:31 GMT
The supreme court has already ruled against the SNP cultists. It's over. ah ok vinny. Is this a tacit admission you didnt realise there wasnt such a thing as british law? 
The things you learn on interwebby forums vinny.
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Post by Ripley on Feb 12, 2023 21:13:34 GMT
Simply referring to the recent poll that indicates support (in Scotland) has fallen from 50% to 44%. The opinion polls in England (were they to be carried out) may not indicate a drop in support for Scottish Separation. But it is academic, Westminster has said no, and in the event of a Labour Government we have been told that won't change. It would have been much simpler if the Scots had voted YES when they were given the referendum that they asked for. Polls are not votes. How would English opinion polls affect Scottish independence? Politicians don't always keep their promises, so don't count on Labour not changing their mind. It could even be a Tory PM who changes his mind. After all, it was a Tory who granted the last referendum. Westminster has seen the fastest turnover of PMs in a century - five PMs in six years. Stay tuned. Things could change in unexpected ways sooner than you know. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 21:38:01 GMT
I think Scotland should approach the Supreme Court and ask when they would be able to hold another Independence Referendum and then if they think this is too long look to do this independently yet who would verify this as a true and fair election if done independently? They could ask the Kremlin to mediate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2023 22:38:52 GMT
I'd be interested to hear how the French Revolution has any bearing at all on UK domestic legislation. I can see how it might impinge on current Laws in France but in the UK?... Read the article. It explains the link of people power , which you and i have discussed before , a concept which according to the link was established at the time of the french revolution.
Scots law is based on roman law , and of course roman law is shared in common between scotland and france.
Thats the trouble - it doesn't explain the link. It claims there is a link, but it doesn't specify how this 'people power' from the French Revolution is relevant to UK Law. For example what UK Laws are overridden by this 'people power' from France and who decides what the people have decided? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 13, 2023 0:06:37 GMT
England is not a country.
Hasn't been since 1707.
Stop blaming the English for everything Thomas.
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 7:33:26 GMT
Read the article. It explains the link of people power , which you and i have discussed before , a concept which according to the link was established at the time of the french revolution.
Scots law is based on roman law , and of course roman law is shared in common between scotland and france.
Thats the trouble - it doesn't explain the link. It claims there is a link, but it doesn't specify how this 'people power' from the French Revolution is relevant to UK Law. For example what UK Laws are overridden by this 'people power' from France and who decides what the people have decided? Its an article from cambridge academics offering a theory regarding the concept of people power established in the 18th century at the time of the French revolution.
heres part of the article once more...
The point they make is that people are the ultimate source of political authority.
That point is relevant to the uk when you consider the history of the break up of the empire as i have repeatedly said. Westmisnter repeatedly told many countires it was illegal for them to leave the empire.............when english law came up against "people power" , people power won.
You have even accepted this point in one of our debates a while back when you agreed when enough scots want westmisnter rule to end , it will end irresepctive of what legislatures in westmisnter want .
Im not sure why you are trying to play daft now pacifico. You might disagree with the article thats fair enough. Dont say you cant understand it when its quite clear what they are saying , as well as the fact they are admitting various routes to independence for scotland will have problems. Thats a given.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 13, 2023 7:38:26 GMT
Well, cultist. The more you separatists ignore the genuinely important issues and obsess on what you cannot have (Scotland doesn't want it) the bigger the defeat of the Scottish Nonces Party will be when the time comes.
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 7:53:56 GMT
Well, cultist. The more you separatists ignore the genuinely important issues and obsess on what you cannot have (Scotland doesn't want it) the bigger the defeat of the Scottish Nonces Party will be when the time comes. Thanks vinny. The voice of reason and font of all scottish knowledge as ever from your ivory tower.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 13, 2023 7:57:06 GMT
Thats the trouble - it doesn't explain the link. It claims there is a link, but it doesn't specify how this 'people power' from the French Revolution is relevant to UK Law. For example what UK Laws are overridden by this 'people power' from France and who decides what the people have decided? Its an article from cambridge academics offering a theory regarding the concept of people power established in the 18th century at the time of the French revolution.
heres part of the article once more...
The point they make is that people are the ultimate source of political authority.
That point is relevant to the uk when you consider the history of the break up of the empire as i have repeatedly said. Westmisnter repeatedly told many countires it was illegal for them to leave the empire.............when english law came up against "people power" , people power won.
You have even accepted this point in one of our debates a while back when you agreed when enough scots want westmisnter rule to end , it will end irresepctive of what legislatures in westmisnter want .
Im not sure why you are trying to play daft now pacifico. You might disagree with the article thats fair enough. Dont say you cant understand it when its quite clear what they are saying , as well as the fact they are admitting various routes to independence for scotland will have problems. Thats a given.
Well if all this 'people power' consists of is declaring UDI then why the need to bring in the French Revolution?. I don't recall Rhodesia needing to explain their decision by reference to France circa 1789 - they just did it because they felt it right. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 8:11:58 GMT
Its an article from cambridge academics offering a theory regarding the concept of people power established in the 18th century at the time of the French revolution.
heres part of the article once more...
The point they make is that people are the ultimate source of political authority.
That point is relevant to the uk when you consider the history of the break up of the empire as i have repeatedly said. Westmisnter repeatedly told many countires it was illegal for them to leave the empire.............when english law came up against "people power" , people power won.
You have even accepted this point in one of our debates a while back when you agreed when enough scots want westmisnter rule to end , it will end irresepctive of what legislatures in westmisnter want .
Im not sure why you are trying to play daft now pacifico. You might disagree with the article thats fair enough. Dont say you cant understand it when its quite clear what they are saying , as well as the fact they are admitting various routes to independence for scotland will have problems. Thats a given.
Well if all this 'people power' consists of is declaring UDI then why the need to bring in the French Revolution?. I don't recall Rhodesia needing to explain their decision by reference to France circa 1789 - they just did it because they felt it right. I think the french revolution is seen as the time when the old european states started to move away from monarchies to more representative democracies we see today.
The french revolution and its ideas influenced many groups such as the united irishmen and scotsmen , to countires such as the USA. Power vested in one person , the divine rights of kings and all that giving way to "people power".
Im not sure why you have such a problem with the article mentioning the french revolution , perhaps its just the anglo saxon disaste for all things french . ?
The point is we have already agreed the concept of people power in previous debates. That same concept is something as we both know you are fully behind for example when people power led to the winning of englands full english brexit in 2016.
Scotland isnt explaining anything. So im not sure the idea behind the rhodesia example. The article is by cambridge academics.
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