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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 1:25:11 GMT
The web is full of all sorts of bullshit. It doesn't interest me. You only need look at our own history to show the above is misleading, even though they could justify it by obscure reference. Academics are very manipulative. This is a part of our problem.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 17, 2023 1:44:43 GMT
There is an African religion whose ceremonies are entirely devoted to placating evil. Their point of view is that that which is good in the spiritual world doesn't need to be worshipped.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 6:24:23 GMT
A moral person is one who conforms to accepted standards of ethical behavior. An amoral person is one who does not. Granted, people may differ over what those standards should be, but it is generally accepted that one should be honest in one's dealings with others, etc., As I was saying previously, these standards are acceptable because our society has a Christian heritage. I expect the longer it becomes unpractised the more the body of opinion will deviate from the Christian norm. Kind of like a random walk, as one would think of it in physics. Only if you go back, at most, 2000 years, before that we had Pagan religions and even after that, those Pagan religions flourished under Roman rule until Constantine accepted Christianity which he enforced throughout colonial Rome. So to say we have a Christian heritage is only somewhere near correct if you go back some 1600 years and even then it was an enforced religion. And what did that Christian religion do inorder to become established? Well it adopted festivals based on Pagan religions to gain acceptance and many early churches were built over the site of Roman temples for a similar doctrinaire reason and here we are 1600 years later, still being subjected to religious doctrine. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 8:31:31 GMT
The web is full of all sorts of bullshit. It doesn't interest me. You only need look at our own history to show the above is misleading, even though they could justify it by obscure reference. Academics are very manipulative. This is a part of our problem. Maybe you should think of UK recent history at a time when the UK was unbelievably wealthy and all the well to do were so religious and the Churches were full every Sunday while poverty and destitution was rife. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 12:12:01 GMT
The web is full of all sorts of bullshit. It doesn't interest me. You only need look at our own history to show the above is misleading, even though they could justify it by obscure reference. Academics are very manipulative. This is a part of our problem. Maybe you should think of UK recent history at a time when the UK was unbelievably wealthy and all the well to do were so religious and the Churches were full every Sunday while poverty and destitution was rife. You sound like a left-winger blaming everything on the Tories without any evidence. I know everyone is biased against Christianity here because every mention of it made is negative. None of you have said one good thing a Christian has ever done. I mean the government social workers have really woked your brain out and you have not even noticed! |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 12:18:41 GMT
As I was saying previously, these standards are acceptable because our society has a Christian heritage. I expect the longer it becomes unpractised the more the body of opinion will deviate from the Christian norm. Kind of like a random walk, as one would think of it in physics. Only if you go back, at most, 2000 years, before that we had Pagan religions and even after that, those Pagan religions flourished under Roman rule until Constantine accepted Christianity which he enforced throughout colonial Rome. So to say we have a Christian heritage is only somewhere near correct if you go back some 1600 years and even then it was an enforced religion. And what did that Christian religion do inorder to become established? Well it adopted festivals based on Pagan religions to gain acceptance and many early churches were built over the site of Roman temples for a similar doctrinaire reason and here we are 1600 years later, still being subjected to religious doctrine. There is no Christian heritage BC. Think about it.
It was Italian monks which brought Christianity to the UK. The Roman Empire though was Pagan and very evil. During the Middle Ages our country was a juxtaposition of the classical period and Christianity. We've never really been pure Christians because we have this Roman ideology as well where we want to rule the entire world and are happy to kill millions to achieve that aim.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 12:32:34 GMT
Only if you go back, at most, 2000 years, before that we had Pagan religions and even after that, those Pagan religions flourished under Roman rule until Constantine accepted Christianity which he enforced throughout colonial Rome. So to say we have a Christian heritage is only somewhere near correct if you go back some 1600 years and even then it was an enforced religion. And what did that Christian religion do inorder to become established? Well it adopted festivals based on Pagan religions to gain acceptance and many early churches were built over the site of Roman temples for a similar doctrinaire reason and here we are 1600 years later, still being subjected to religious doctrine. There is no Christian heritage BC. Think about it.
It was Italian monks which brought Christianity to the UK. The Roman Empire though was Pagan and very evil. During the Middle Ages our country was a juxtaposition of the classical period and Christianity. We've never really been pure Christians because we have this Roman ideology as well where we want to rule the entire world and are happy to kill millions to achieve that aim.
Once again you are talking shite, I never said there was BC Christian heritage. Henry VIII introduced a different church for no other reason than catholicism didn't permit the divorce he wanted and as for Italiean monks, spreading christianity, it would be fairer if you were to include RC and Protestant missionaries which far ourtnumber Italian monks. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 13:04:57 GMT
There is no Christian heritage BC. Think about it.
It was Italian monks which brought Christianity to the UK. The Roman Empire though was Pagan and very evil. During the Middle Ages our country was a juxtaposition of the classical period and Christianity. We've never really been pure Christians because we have this Roman ideology as well where we want to rule the entire world and are happy to kill millions to achieve that aim.
Once again you are talking shite, I never said there was BC Christian heritage. Henry VIII introduced a different church for no other reason than catholicism didn't permit the divorce he wanted and as for Italiean monks, spreading christianity, it would be fairer if you were to include RC and Protestant missionaries which far ourtnumber Italian monks. It's just recorded historically that a group of Italian monks brought Christianity to Britain in the 6th century. I forget the name of the order but my source is reliable. I'm no professor of history of this period, but I happened to know that as I was reading about it in Wikipedia a while back. I expect you think it is shit because you don't know what I speak of. There were small Christian groups before that which operated from about the second century AD to the 4th century AD time, though there is a lot of uncertainty. The earliest known church in Britain is near to me in fact and is 6th century. It was no more than a chapel and very small. We have a few remains of the foundations and some floor tiles were recovered. Actually this is a recent discovery where before that the earliest was in Iona. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 17, 2023 13:16:07 GMT
I'm an atheist. Throughout much of Christianity and other religions, people never had the chance be overtly unbelievers, it was follow God or be persecuted, even executed. I would like this country to be officially secular.....and much of the above says you do write some shite. I thought so. You are anti-Christian and believe in atheism. An atheist only believes in one less god than the christians Who reject the belief systems of dozens of others with varyimg degrees of vehemence |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Feb 17, 2023 13:46:01 GMT
The latter part of the 14th century and the early part of the 15th has been described as an epoch when for a decade or two religion lost its hold on the English population and was openly ridiculed. That's when Chaucer's 'Canterbury Tales' appeared. This widespread "freethinking" was then suppressed by the introduction of draconian laws. In the early 1400s the merchant class of London petitioned Henry IV to dispossess the Catholic Church of its property and hand it over to the people. Thomas Arundel, Archbishop of Canterbury during Henry IV's reign, was the driving force behind the suppression of Lollard-driven opposition to religious authoritarianism. As for Chaucer ... he "disappeared".
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 14:12:03 GMT
I thought so. You are anti-Christian and believe in atheism. An atheist only believes in one less god than the christians Who reject the belief systems of dozens of others with varyimg degrees of vehemence Soviets can't tolerate Christianity. It was banned for almost 70 years. This woke agenda is about banning it so you believe in woke instead. Christians would say following woke is a false idol. Christians will keep their heads whilst all around are losing theirs. It's one of the side effects of dealing with the devil - you end up losing your mind. It can result in suicide. Don't try and tell me it is not happening. Virtually every day acts of evil are committed and many dead bodies result, like the trans kid in the news at the moment. God rules - you don't! |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 17, 2023 14:32:19 GMT
An atheist only believes in one less god than the christians Who reject the belief systems of dozens of others with varyimg degrees of vehemence Soviets can't tolerate Christianity. It was banned for almost 70 years. This woke agenda is about banning it so you believe in woke instead. Christians would say following woke is a false idol. Christians will keep their heads whilst all around are losing theirs. It's one of the side effects of dealing with the devil - you end up losing your mind. It can result in suicide. Don't try and tell me it is not happening. Virtually every day acts of evil are committed and many dead bodies result, like the trans kid in the news at the moment. God rules - you don't! The thing is, i was a lay preacher and then i woke up and not in the way fucking snowflakes abuse the word. I saw mysogyny celebrated as a virtue in the evangelical god botherers. I saw my wife shunned by the church she grew up with when her second pregnancy went tits and she chose to have an abortion at 23 and a half weeks with no paperwork instead of a stillbirth at 26 or 28 and endure the funeral. The fucking VICAR at the church in question left in disgust to minister elsewhere after seeing how she was treated by his congregation Back in work fourteen women (oh sorry, bitches is what you prefer to call them) six from my team and eight from adjacent ones all handed in their notice when they found the restructure caused by my departure and two other managers left them working for this mysogynist bastard. It would be easy to say i no longer believe there is a god The truth is i don't know, but if there is and he is indeed the piece of shit who applauds attitudes like yours then fuck this i’m with satan because the shithead you worship is simply not worthy or deserving of such. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 17, 2023 14:52:27 GMT
Soviets can't tolerate Christianity. It was banned for almost 70 years. This woke agenda is about banning it so you believe in woke instead. Christians would say following woke is a false idol. Christians will keep their heads whilst all around are losing theirs. It's one of the side effects of dealing with the devil - you end up losing your mind. It can result in suicide. Don't try and tell me it is not happening. Virtually every day acts of evil are committed and many dead bodies result, like the trans kid in the news at the moment. God rules - you don't! The thing is, i was a lay preacher and then i woke up and not in the way fucking snowflakes abuse the word. I saw mysogyny celebrated as a virtue in the evangelical god botherers. I saw my wife shunned by the church she grew up with when her second pregnancy went tits and she chose to have an abortion at 23 and a half weeks with no paperwork instead of a stillbirth at 26 or 28 and endure the funeral. The fucking VICAR at the church in question left in disgust to minister elsewhere after seeing how she was treated by his congregation Back in work fourteen women (oh sorry, bitches is what you prefer to call them) six from my team and eight from adjacent ones all handed in their notice when they found the restructure caused by my departure and two other managers left them working for this mysogynist bastard. It would be easy to say i no longer believe there is a god The truth is i don't know, but if there is and he is indeed the piece of shit who applauds attitudes like yours then fuck this i’m with satan because the shithead you worship is simply not worthy or deserving of such. Indeed, but going back to the bible's good fruit tree and bad fruit tree, you can be sure of what is what. The Christian believes in loving everyone. They believe in fairness. You clearly had a wrongun there, but that in no way alters the beliefs. My church has now been woked out by a woman preachers. Sadly the church is not allowed by law to act independently any more. Still though, you don't actually need a church. As a Christian you focus on what you do, and let God be the judge of the wronguns. If man were to judge, man would make mistakes due to original sin. If he has committed sin then he will have to pay for it. Think of it as not your business and try and be inspired by these who set good examples. Dwelling on shit all the time makes one end up covered in it. Have you ever heard the expression, you become what you hate? |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 15:11:44 GMT
Once again you are talking shite, I never said there was BC Christian heritage. Henry VIII introduced a different church for no other reason than catholicism didn't permit the divorce he wanted and as for Italiean monks, spreading christianity, it would be fairer if you were to include RC and Protestant missionaries which far ourtnumber Italian monks. It's just recorded historically that a group of Italian monks brought Christianity to Britain in the 6th century. I forget the name of the order but my source is reliable. I'm no professor of history of this period, but I happened to know that as I was reading about it in Wikipedia a while back. I expect you think it is shit because you don't know what I speak of. There were small Christian groups before that which operated from about the second century AD to the 4th century AD time, though there is a lot of uncertainty. The earliest known church in Britain is near to me in fact and is 6th century. It was no more than a chapel and very small. We have a few remains of the foundations and some floor tiles were recovered. Actually this is a recent discovery where before that the earliest was in Iona. As someone who claims to be a devout Christian I find strange that you have forgotten the name Augustine who was sent to England (Britain wasn't a nation then). He wasn't Italian, he came from North Africa; the Roman army conscripted soldiers from many of the countries they conquered and it's worth pointing out that Rome wasn't Italy, it was its own entity at that time and the Vatican is still a state in it's own right. It's possible that christianity reached Ireland before it reached England via migration from Spain and again probable that Scotland was influenced by the Irish Christians prior to Augustine's visit. Ireland, Spain and Scotland, like much of Europe, is of Celtic blood. Try to educate yourself, you need it. |
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Post by Ripley on Feb 17, 2023 15:16:08 GMT
The web is full of all sorts of bullshit. It doesn't interest me. You only need look at our own history to show the above is misleading, even though they could justify it by obscure reference. Academics are very manipulative. This is a part of our problem. In order to believe that morality came from Christianity in spite of evidence to the contrary, you would have to dismiss the findings of evolutionary biology, history, and anthropology, which comprises cultural anthropology, physical anthropology, linguistics and archaeology. Moreover, you would have to believe that no pre-Christian civilisation possessed any rules of social conduct, including the Incans, the Romans, the Persians, the ancient Greeks, the Chinese, the Mayans, the Egyptians, the North Chico (Peruvians), the Mesopotamians, the Indus Valley peoples, the Jiahu culture and the Aborigines. To believe that what we know about these pre-Christian civilisations is all wrong because it doesn't fit with your religious preconceptions requires you to abandon logic. Why would you do that? |
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