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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:34:26 GMT
Car ownership will reduce . Not because the government will tell you that you can’t own cars but because they will not be viable . The only reason i can see for cars becoming unviable in the foreseeable future is the government deliberately making them unviable.
I guess I'm questioning the whole dysfunctional, self-harming enterprise and asking when we voted for it. We didn’t directly vote for anything that the government does. I never voted for lockdown, I didn’t vote for my council tax bring raised. I didn’t vote arms going to Ukraine , I didn’t vote for tobacco being hid inside a drawer at the supermarket. There’s lots I didn’t vote for. Do you propose that any significant societal change needs to be agreed by the public? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:36:20 GMT
In a vehicle or public transport? In a vehicle, public transport depends very much on availability and that is in the gift of government. So only vehicles. Do you know if the area has high pollution from cars? |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 10, 2023 17:40:59 GMT
They are already telling you that you cannot have certain types of car new after 2030, the electric cars are, and will be, controlled by price. You are actively being denied the use of fossil fuel cars which no doubt will eventually become illegal Yes fossil fuelled cars are being banned due to the global consensus that they contribute to global warming and an alternative is being offered . Private jets contribute far more per capita but private jets are not being phased out, Chinese power stations and poorly controlled coal seam fires contribute much more in a few years than were ever produced by the UK but the plants are being phased in and the coal seams carry on burning. It is only demanded of the Western nations to make sacrifices and that sacrifice is restricted to the general public alone. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 10, 2023 17:44:41 GMT
The only reason i can see for cars becoming unviable in the foreseeable future is the government deliberately making them unviable.
I guess I'm questioning the whole dysfunctional, self-harming enterprise and asking when we voted for it. Do you propose that any significant societal change needs to be agreed by the public? Certainly if you intend introducing significant restrictions on already well established rights and privileges, you should mention it in your manifesto. Effectively banning an entire tier of technologies such that our entire way of life has to change, qualifies here. As you have conceded it is being forced on an unwilling public, I guess my point (as it is) is made. Covid was slightly different - i.e. an unforeseen emergency |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 10, 2023 17:46:00 GMT
Do you propose that any significant societal change needs to be agreed by the public? I do. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 10, 2023 17:46:42 GMT
...Do you know if the area has high pollution from cars? No area has high pollution from cars. |
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Post by ratcliff on Feb 10, 2023 17:49:15 GMT
Reduce the ability to travelPerhaps outright prohibition will be included in phase 2 Or perhaps it will create clean air in cities , a far better and easier lifestyle in rural areas and a much improved public transport system. Where are all these bus stops/train stations going to go? What if I don't rate the local 20 minute plumber/electrician or there aren't enough 20 minute cleaners in the area - will I be allowed to have preferred trades from out of area ? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:49:59 GMT
Yes fossil fuelled cars are being banned due to the global consensus that they contribute to global warming and an alternative is being offered . Private jets contribute far more per capita but private jets are not being phased out, Chinese power stations and poorly controlled coal seam fires contribute much more in a few years than were ever produced by the UK but the plants are being phased in and the coal seams carry on burning. It is only demanded of the Western nations to make sacrifices and that sacrifice is restricted to the general public alone. Well ok but the answer is to have a socialist society but that doesn’t work does it? I agree that a China pumps out more CO2 than us . I agree that we seem to be taking on more of our share of the Zero carbon burden. All of this has been recycled more than a few dozen times . So your gripe is that you didn’t vote for it . We’ll join the club , there’s a lot of stuff that’s happened that a lot of people didn’t vote for . So what’s the solution? Find a government that will allow new fossil fuel cars to be sold until China learns the error of its ways? Good luck with that ? Get yourself all unnecessary about what may or may not be the consequences of 20 minute neighbourhoods ? Well it’s an option. Consider the positive side of an inevitable consequence regarding the reduction of car ownership? That's another option too. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:54:38 GMT
...Do you know if the area has high pollution from cars? No area has high pollution from cars. None at all? Oxford city centre has air quality comparable to the Scottish highlands ? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:56:39 GMT
Or perhaps it will create clean air in cities , a far better and easier lifestyle in rural areas and a much improved public transport system. Where are all these bus stops/train stations going to go? What if I don't rate the local 20 minute plumber/electrician or there aren't enough 20 minute cleaners in the area - will I be allowed to have preferred trades from out of area ? If they changed the name to 20-30 minute neighbourhoods would that be better? Bus stops tend to be placed on roads and train stations just outside of towns . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:59:46 GMT
Do you propose that any significant societal change needs to be agreed by the public? Certainly if you intend introducing significant restrictions on already well established rights and privileges, you should mention it in your manifesto. Effectively banning an entire tier of technologies such that our entire way of life has to change, qualifies here. As you have conceded it is being forced on an unwilling public, I guess my point (as it is) is made. Covid was slightly different - i.e. an unforeseen emergency Fossil fuel cars are being phased out not all cars. The restrictions will come from lack of infrastructure and costs . Sneaky but technically there’s no loss of ‘ established rights and privileges’. Licences are nit being taken away. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 10, 2023 18:00:53 GMT
In a vehicle or public transport? In a vehicle, public transport depends very much on availability and that is in the gift of government. Yes indeed Anything you may want to do will now be subject first to the government's priorities, rather than your own. If the government don't feel that you getting from a to b is much of a priority for them, you may find you can't do it very easily. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 10, 2023 18:04:56 GMT
Certainly if you intend introducing significant restrictions on already well established rights and privileges, you should mention it in your manifesto. Effectively banning an entire tier of technologies such that our entire way of life has to change, qualifies here. As you have conceded it is being forced on an unwilling public, I guess my point (as it is) is made. Covid was slightly different - i.e. an unforeseen emergency Fossil fuel cars are being phased out not all cars. The restrictions will come from lack of infrastructure and costs . Sneaky but technically there’s no loss of ‘ established rights and privileges’. Licences are nit being taken away. Costs imposed by the government. You don't get around it like this - the political targeting of a useful technology, to make it useless, is certainly a restriction of rights |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 18:29:43 GMT
Fossil fuel cars are being phased out not all cars. The restrictions will come from lack of infrastructure and costs . Sneaky but technically there’s no loss of ‘ established rights and privileges’. Licences are nit being taken away. Costs imposed by the government. You don't get around it like this - the political targeting of a useful technology, to make it useless, is certainly a restriction of rights Well that means my right to drive a 4litre car is being restricted by the government by car tax and fuel tax. Who’d of thought that the government would try to control something by imposing extra costs ? Nothing new here . |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 10, 2023 18:32:32 GMT
Well if you ban cars then you have to ban aircraft as they burn fossil fuels.
I personally don't think they will ban cars, just make it difficult and more expensive and possibly more city areas closed to traffic.
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