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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:07:20 GMT
How can anyone ‘ push’ amenities? You used the phrase not me...Now you are trying the diversity trick..... What are you on about? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2023 17:09:14 GMT
You used the phrase not me...Now you are trying the diversity trick..... 20 minute neighbourhoods.....So what you prattling on about as you cannot even answer a simple question |
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Post by Orac on Feb 10, 2023 17:10:46 GMT
Whereas you seem to be arguing that the consequences will inevitably be negative and are some kind of strategy by billionaires to create a kind of strategic hamlet programme. My argument at base is that a restriction is a reduction - and nobody voted for a reduction. You still haven't dealt with this argument btw. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:13:36 GMT
20 minute neighbourhoods.....So what you prattling on about as you cannot even answer a simple question You never asked a question. You on about bio metric doors . Then you claimed I pushed ‘ amenities’ when I asked you how they had anything to do with my point . I don’t know what you are on about tbh. How exactly are bio metric doors related to or part of the plan regarding 20 minute neighbourhoods? |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2023 17:17:48 GMT
20 minute neighbourhoods.....So what you prattling on about as you cannot even answer a simple question You never asked a question. You on about bio metric doors . Then you claimed I pushed ‘ amenities’ when I asked you how they had anything to do with my point . I don’t know what you are on about tbh. How exactly are bio metric doors related to or part of the plan regarding 20 minute neighbourhoods? TBH I think you are trying to outdo steve with a k. When can we expect the disrespect of Bently thread and have I got time to nip out for a shed load of popcorn? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:19:04 GMT
Whereas you seem to be arguing that the consequences will inevitably be negative and are some kind of strategy by billionaires to create a kind of strategic hamlet programme. My argument at base is that a restriction is a reduction - and nobody voted for a reduction. You still haven't dealt with this argument btw. I am rationalising the inevitable. It could work, it could be an answer to a seemingly intractable problem. You are doing it again. Nope . You are missing the point again. Car ownership will reduce . Not because the government will tell you that you can’t own cars but because they will not be viable . Do you want a referendum asking whether the UK public want cars to be viable ? No? Ok so the concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods will be based on the inevitable. If you don’t like the inevitable then write to your MP. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 10, 2023 17:20:57 GMT
But he is demanding that it is down to you, and many more like you, to save the planet. I have no objection to Billionaires doing largely as they wish, I do object to them doing that whilst doing their best to restrict everyone else and present those very restrictions as somehow an expression of his virtue. Yup. It’s the rich that gets the pleasure and the poor that loses the family saloon. what’s the answer, socialism? The irony …. I will try again. No problem in anyone getting the pleasure but if they are actively denying you the pleasure, for supposedly virtuous reasons, then there is a problem. The whole current concept actually depends on a socialist outlook. You will live here, you will work here, you may not go there without permission, you are free as long as you stay near home. Of course that is presented as homes for all, facilities for all, caring for all freedom for all. All within the confines of the good of all. That last part is conjectural at best. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:21:15 GMT
You never asked a question. You on about bio metric doors . Then you claimed I pushed ‘ amenities’ when I asked you how they had anything to do with my point . I don’t know what you are on about tbh. How exactly are bio metric doors related to or part of the plan regarding 20 minute neighbourhoods? TBH I think you are trying to outdo steve with a k. When can we expect the disrespect of Bently thread and have I got time to nip out for a shed load of popcorn? Ok . So you have no idea why bio metric doors are related to or part of the plan regarding 20 minute neighbourhoods. Fair enough. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:22:33 GMT
Yup. It’s the rich that gets the pleasure and the poor that loses the family saloon. what’s the answer, socialism? The irony …. I will try again. No problem in anyone getting the pleasure but if they are actively denying you the pleasure, for supposedly virtuous reasons, then there is a problem. The whole current concept actually depends on a socialist outlook. You will live here, you will work here, you may not go there without permission, you are free as long as you stay near home. Of course that is presented as homes for all, facilities for all, caring for all freedom for all. All within the confines of the good of all. That last part is conjectural at best. So where did you read in the government plan that anyone in a 20 minute neighbourhood would nit be allowed to leave it? |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 10, 2023 17:24:53 GMT
My argument at base is that a restriction is a reduction - and nobody voted for a reduction. You still haven't dealt with this argument btw. You are doing it again. Nope . You are missing the point again. Car ownership will reduce . Not because the government will tell you that you can’t own cars but because they will not be viable . Do you want a referendum asking whether the UK public want cars to be viable ? No? Ok so the concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods will be based on the inevitable. If you don’t like the inevitable then right to your MP. They are already telling you that you cannot have certain types of car new after 2030, the electric cars are, and will be, controlled by price. You are actively being denied the use of fossil fuel cars which no doubt will eventually become illegal |
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Post by Orac on Feb 10, 2023 17:26:06 GMT
My argument at base is that a restriction is a reduction - and nobody voted for a reduction. You still haven't dealt with this argument btw. You are doing it again. Car ownership will reduce . Not because the government will tell you that you can’t own cars but because they will not be viable . The only reason i can see for cars becoming unviable in the foreseeable future is the government deliberately making them unviable.
I guess I'm questioning the whole dysfunctional, self-harming enterprise and asking when we voted for it. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 10, 2023 17:26:54 GMT
I will try again. No problem in anyone getting the pleasure but if they are actively denying you the pleasure, for supposedly virtuous reasons, then there is a problem. The whole current concept actually depends on a socialist outlook. You will live here, you will work here, you may not go there without permission, you are free as long as you stay near home. Of course that is presented as homes for all, facilities for all, caring for all freedom for all. All within the confines of the good of all. That last part is conjectural at best. So where did you read in the government plan that anyone in a 20 minute neighbourhood would nit be allowed to leave it? There has not been any government plan, which is partially the point. The Oxford plan includes moving from your zone restrictions and in zone restrictions. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:30:35 GMT
Nope . You are missing the point again. Car ownership will reduce . Not because the government will tell you that you can’t own cars but because they will not be viable . Do you want a referendum asking whether the UK public want cars to be viable ? No? Ok so the concept of 20 minute neighbourhoods will be based on the inevitable. If you don’t like the inevitable then right to your MP. They are already telling you that you cannot have certain types of car new after 2030, the electric cars are, and will be, controlled by price. You are actively being denied the use of fossil fuel cars which no doubt will eventually become illegal Yes fossil fuelled cars are being banned due to the global consensus that they contribute to global warming and an alternative is being offered . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 17:31:11 GMT
So where did you read in the government plan that anyone in a 20 minute neighbourhood would nit be allowed to leave it? There has not been any government plan, which is partially the point. The Oxford plan includes moving from your zone restrictions and in zone restrictions. In a vehicle or public transport? |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 10, 2023 17:33:41 GMT
There has not been any government plan, which is partially the point. The Oxford plan includes moving from your zone restrictions and in zone restrictions. In a vehicle or public transport? In a vehicle, public transport depends very much on availability and that is in the gift of government. |
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