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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 13:18:10 GMT
The Tories under Thatcher took away the prospect of council houses from the last generation and the lefties want to takeaway universal state pensions from the next . Lefties are no better than the people they say that they hate , Pensioners getting enough pension income to live comfortably will probably find the state pension is largely negated by income tax. I’ve got a couple of relatives in their seventies, who still enjoy doing paid work. They pay tax on all their income, but get free travel outside certain times and don’t pay National Insurance — nothing illegal, and a nice bit extra, but it seems unnecessary… Tbh I don’t have a problem with working pensioners paying NI. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 13:19:39 GMT
And some of you are the ultimate selfish old gits. Expecting ever more taxpayer funded freebies to be lavished upon you whilst voting against the interests of the struggling hard working sods who are paying for it all. Ever more for you and ever less for working people. Some of you are just malicious, self interested, greedy old bastards. And you are one of them What freebies? The deal was a universal pension ( taxable) after paying in for an agreed amount of years . Your self hatred has made you delusional . I have no self hatred. I am talking about pensioners not working age people like myself. As for freebies, there is the exemption from NI, winter fuel payments, pension tax credits, free bus travel, and so on. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 28, 2023 13:22:21 GMT
Pensioners getting enough pension income to live comfortably will probably find the state pension is largely negated by income tax. I’ve got a couple of relatives in their seventies, who still enjoy doing paid work. They pay tax on all their income, but get free travel outside certain times and don’t pay National Insurance — nothing illegal, and a nice bit extra, but it seems unnecessary… Tbh I don’t have a problem with working pensioners paying NI. And neither does anyone else who are civilised in our society..... |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 13:27:52 GMT
What freebies? The deal was a universal pension ( taxable) after paying in for an agreed amount of years . Your self hatred has made you delusional . I have no self hatred. I am talking about pensioners not working age people like myself. As for freebies, there is the exemption from NI, winter fuel payments, pension tax credits, free bus travel, and so on. Winter lay would probably cost more in administrative to means test as the amount saved , same for bus passes . Where in your self hating head have you convinced yourself that ‘ rich’ pensioners sit on the bus all day and hog the seats that young people could use? Jeez. Same as pension tax credits . Just how do rich pensioners claim those? 🤦♂️ |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 28, 2023 13:34:22 GMT
Polly Toynbee in todays Guardian calling for an end to the Universal State Pension - wise move or will it just encourage more people to sponge off the State? There’s a reason why in a world where increasingly all you see is headlines and paywalls, the Guardian still allows anyone to read it If you had to buy it, who would ?? Not a lot of people do |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 28, 2023 17:56:43 GMT
Well said. And in response to your first sentence, I can well remember overhearing one pensioner in my locale moaning to his mate about how he had to choose between eating and heating. That was shortly after I was stood behind him in a shop where I saw him spend £30 on lottery tickets and scratch cards!!! I thought to myself that that 30 quid could have paid for a fair bit of food or energy. And they think working age people have a sense of entitlement. This is of course only one individual. But there is no such thing as a poverty stricken pensioner anymore unless that person is either not claiming what they are entitled to or are mismanaging their finances. My own dear mum is a poorer pensioner who worked all her life, yet she has never been as well off as she is in retirement. She is far from rich but can easily afford to live in modest comfort, which was rarely the case when she worked. We have created a society where the only fail safe route out of poverty is to reach retirement age, and become part of a molly coddled age group which is already on average better off than the working population supporting them, with on average much greater wealth and assets, and far lower financial outlays. And they pay less tax than the rest of us even if they are working, being exempt from National Insurance in spite of being by far the largest cost to the NHS. And they call those of us who state these facts "spiteful" and similar, whilst so many of them are forever calling for a shittier deal for working people. And they do it with apparently no sense of irony. The whole post it total BOLLOCKS.......Even pensioners still have to pay indirect taxes..... I pay direct taxes on pensions. Since I retired in 1902 I've paid around £25,000 tax, others wil have paid more, much more. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 21:29:10 GMT
I have no self hatred. I am talking about pensioners not working age people like myself. As for freebies, there is the exemption from NI, winter fuel payments, pension tax credits, free bus travel, and so on. Winter lay would probably cost more in administrative to means test as the amount saved , same for bus passes . Where in your self hating head have you convinced yourself that ‘ rich’ pensioners sit on the bus all day and hog the seats that young people could use? Jeez. Same as pension tax credits . Just how do rich pensioners claim those? 🤦♂️ If you are just going to make shit up about me, you'd be better off shoving your head up a donkey's arse and whistling yankee doodle dandy. You'd look slightly less stupid if you did |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 21:31:17 GMT
The whole post it total BOLLOCKS.......Even pensioners still have to pay indirect taxes..... I pay direct taxes on pensions. Since I retired in 1902 I've paid around £25,000 tax, others wil have paid more, much more. You retired in 1902? Wow. I knew people are said to be living longer but that is surely unprecedented longevity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 21:33:59 GMT
I have no self hatred. I am talking about pensioners not working age people like myself. As for freebies, there is the exemption from NI, winter fuel payments, pension tax credits, free bus travel, and so on. Winter lay would probably cost more in administrative to means test as the amount saved , same for bus passes . Where in your self hating head have you convinced yourself that ‘ rich’ pensioners sit on the bus all day and hog the seats that young people could use? Jeez. Same as pension tax credits . Just how do rich pensioners claim those? 🤦♂️ That is always the lame old justification beloved of the better off wishing to keep their own taxpayer-funded handouts. And probably nonsense. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 21:47:11 GMT
Winter lay would probably cost more in administrative to means test as the amount saved , same for bus passes . Where in your self hating head have you convinced yourself that ‘ rich’ pensioners sit on the bus all day and hog the seats that young people could use? Jeez. Same as pension tax credits . Just how do rich pensioners claim those? 🤦♂️ That is always the lame old justification beloved of the better off wishing to keep their own taxpayer-funded handouts. And probably nonsense. Why do yo suppose pensioners in this country are so loathed compared to pensioners in many other countries who are almost revered. A fact reflected by old age pensions which are much higher in most European countries. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 28, 2023 22:01:20 GMT
I pay direct taxes on pensions. Since I retired in 1902 I've paid around £25,000 tax, others wil have paid more, much more. You retired in 1902? Wow. I knew people are said to be living longer but that is surely unprecedented longevity. Would have been better had you asked "Did you mean 2002", rather than showing yourself to be a dickhead....again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 22:18:08 GMT
You retired in 1902? Wow. I knew people are said to be living longer but that is surely unprecedented longevity. Would have been better had you asked "Did you mean 2002", rather than showing yourself to be a dickhead....again. I see your sense of humour bypass operation went rather well, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 22:27:18 GMT
That is always the lame old justification beloved of the better off wishing to keep their own taxpayer-funded handouts. And probably nonsense. Why do yo suppose pensioners in this country are so loathed compared to pensioners in many other countries who are almost revered. A fact reflected by old age pensions which are much higher in most European countries. Pensioners are not loathed. Its the ungrateful attitude so many of you display towards the working schmucks whose taxes support you that is loathed. So many of you - and you yourself are typical - begrudge working people the scrapings of your arses, yet think their hard work and taxes should provide a bottomless pit for yourselves. It is this attitude that manages to combine selfishness and ingratitude with mean-spiritedness towards everyone else that is loathed. Thankfully though not all pensioners think like you. I tend to love and respect the ones that don't. Like my dear mum who would hold most of you oldies on this forum in utter contempt for your attitudes. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 28, 2023 22:43:53 GMT
People should not be "revered" because they are working or pension age. Each person should be reputed on their own merits. They don't become more or less revered on their 66th and a bit birthday.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 22:55:18 GMT
Why do yo suppose pensioners in this country are so loathed compared to pensioners in many other countries who are almost revered. A fact reflected by old age pensions which are much higher in most European countries. Pensioners are not loathed. Its the ungrateful attitude so many of you display towards the working schmucks whose taxes support you that is loathed. So many of you - and you yourself are typical - begrudge working people the scrapings of your arses, yet think their hard work and taxes should provide a bottomless pit for yourselves. It is this attitude that manages to combine selfishness and ingratitude with mean-spiritedness towards everyone else that is loathed. Thankfully though not all pensioners think like you. I tend to love and respect the ones that don't. Like my dear mum who would hold most of you oldies on this forum in utter contempt for your attitudes. Pillock, I am not an old age pensioner, and I have never claimed one thin penny in benefits of any kind. I was able to take early retirement because I worked long hard hours and paid a lot into a good pension. My wife and I live comfortably, we're not rich, but we're OK, and I do more to help people than you will ever know. Your opinions are ill informed and ignorant. |
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