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Post by bancroft on Jan 27, 2023 15:07:51 GMT
Locally what I have seen is in the Blair years were local services like A & E sites closed down and moved several miles out to a bigger centre with pay per hour parking which is nearly always full.
Now the poorer part of the borough before normally had to get one bus or train if they could not walk now need two buses or a train and bus if they can't drive.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 27, 2023 15:10:52 GMT
Locally what I have seen is in the Blair years were local services like A & E sites closed down and moved several miles out to a bigger centre with pay per hour parking which is nearly always full. Now the poorer part of the borough before normally had to get one bus or train if they could not walk now need two buses or a train and bus if they can't drive. Good point, when Tony Blert closed all the small local hospitals and amalgamated them in to one big disaster, is was always doomed to fail. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 27, 2023 15:20:35 GMT
Fairsociety ... "If Starmer/Labour get in to power we're well and truly fucked, we are still paying the price for Blair's reform of the NHS when he was in power, this is why the NHS is in the mess it is in today, what do you think Starmer will do with the NHS?" ------------------------------------ When Labour left office in 2010, there was nothing wrong with the NHS, and public satisfaction with the NHS was at an all time high. The Blair government rescued the NHS, turned around the waiting lists, turned around waiting times, and both fell dramatically. The disgusting and appaling mess our NHS is now in has nothing to do with any government of 13 years ago, this as all happened since the Tories came to power. Good try at deflection, but it wont wash, wont work, and its looking highly unlikely that the ones who have trashed the NHS will be in power in less than two years. ( hopefully before ) You do know I actually Laughed Out Loud when I read that ^^
The NHS has everything to do with the government of 13 years ago. Thanks Blair...
"Family doctors negotiating last year's pay contract were stunned to be offered such a lucrative deal, it has been revealed"
GP leaders could not believe their luck when ministers told them they would be able to opt out of working evenings and weekends.
Labour MPs challenges Blair on GPs' contracts.
Overall the contract, which started in 2004, has seen pay increase by 60 per cent in three years to more than £100,000.
Health experts said the comments showed that doctors were being paid too much for too little work, while opposition parties lambasted government "incompetence".
GPs' negotiator Dr Simon Fradd's admission comes in the week that the government said it wanted to rewrite the GP contract to offer doctors more money to start working again in the evenings and at weekends.
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The new GP contract, which began in 2004, allowed GPs to scrap their responsibility for out-of-hours cover, in return for a pay cut of £6,000 a year.
***Cheers Tony you've fucked up every GP surgery in the land.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 16:10:20 GMT
Its clear from some posters on this thread,they don't deserve an NHS. Why would I deserve (or not deserve) something that I pay an awful lot of money for?.. Do I deserve my Range Rover - hmm, on second thoughts perhaps I do..  |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 27, 2023 16:14:30 GMT
Having paid into it for decades I expect value for my money so do many millions more but do we get it ? luck of the draw depending which NHS Trusts covers where you live
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 27, 2023 16:26:09 GMT
Here, have my standard cut & paste reply:
Since the formation of the NHS two-thirds of our governments have been Tory and the NHS is still with us. Yet every week someone, somewhere foretells the imminent doom of the NHS at the hands of the Tories. Well sorry guys, but it's been 74 years and they haven't privatised it yet. They have been doing it by stealth,according to some who work in the NHS its just about already collapsed now Sajid Javid said it would be a good idea to make people pay to see their GP,many can't even get to see one already,just another example of the destruction of the NHS.
Yawn...
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 17:24:20 GMT
Indeed, I was a union member for about four years and branch secretary for about two years. That was early 2000's, my political loyalties have changed a lot since then, particularly since 2016. As I once told Carty 'I have fully transitioned' lol. I used to be centre left I am now firmly centre right, and I've never supported any extremist. I think the most extreme politician we have had in recent years was Corbyn, and I certainly didn't support him. Corbyn was not extreme,maybe naive thinking the Establishment would ever allow him to be in power. I think you will find it wasn't the establishment who got rid of Corbyn, it was the Labour party. Largely because he was an unelectable terrorist supporting left wing extremist. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 27, 2023 17:26:11 GMT
Don't start all that old bullshit that Labour would be worse. You have no idea what Labour would do. YOu must be bloody crazy to go on supporting the Tories. How bad do you want it to get before you face the truth? I have a PRETTY GOOD idea what Labour woild do. We have been forced to put up with them running the NHS in Wales for 25 years Ambulances don't have target times any more because they never met them so Labour removed the targets
I'ge gone through all this before. If you want to see what Labour would do, come to Wales where COVID Tests were not available for months and NHS Staff needing a test were told to go to England, because nobody printed the instructions in Welsh so the twats propping Labour up refused to allow English only tests to be released
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 27, 2023 17:44:40 GMT
ROD you are our Hero .. Rod Stewart left the United Kingdom and made his home in Los Angeles in 1975 to avoid the 83% tax on top earners that existed in Britain at the time. Toto Wolff was accused of being a tax exile by Red Bull Racing team principal Christian Horner. Wolff, who is originally from Austria, now resides in Monaco. LOL people like Rod come back to use our NHS because you don't have to pay, yes Rod you are a true hypocritical double standard leftie, they will welcome you with open arms  Just a titbit, it was Harold Wilson Labour leader who was Prime Minister (March 1974 - April 1976) at the time Rod decided to flee to America because he was paying too much tax, LOL you couldn't make this shit up. Well, of course it wasn't Wilson, but Dennis Fucking Healey who created the 83% tax rate, to go with a 15% NATIONAL INSURANCE rate and the ADDITIONAL 15% tax rate to ensure anyone receiving any sort of DIVIDEND was shat upon for the 98%
Healey sent me my first tax demand. I was 16 in the year in question, and had a newspaper round. The man who ran the shop died of a cardiac arrest one morning as he got the papers in fron the street, and the shop closed for the morning. It was open at 4pm and I was over there at 5 to do the evening paper round, and I was asked to take on extra hours working on the weekends along with others. Britain being a real community in those days, people mucked in to help. A lot of people my dad included did a bot for nothing, youngsters like me got paid for our time running the place. As a result of that, I actually earned enough to get muyself a bloody tax demand for five quid the following year. I paid it at pretty much the same time as I was refused a vote in Wilsonls phoney referendum on leaving the EEC which he set up as "well, we're in the thing now and it would be too much of a fucking faff to leave". I was, at the time of the vote, 17 years nine months and one week old. During one of the BBC's Newsnight / Question Time bullshit sessions on the 2016 referendum, I was in the audience and identified myself as "possibly the oldest man in Britain to have been denied a vote in 75, having been literally a few weeks short of my 18th birthday, and therefore I am lookng forward to voting to get the fuck out, having waited over 40 years to say so"
I wasn't picked out of the audience, I wonder why. I cant help thinking if i had said I've waited over 40 years to say "STAY IN" they would have had me on the bloody panel never mind asking a question
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Post by sword on Jan 27, 2023 17:53:02 GMT
Its clear from some posters on this thread,they don't deserve an NHS. Why would I deserve (or not deserve) something that I pay an awful lot of money for?.. Do I deserve my Range Rover - hmm, on second thoughts perhaps I do.. Because you don't believe in it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 17:56:22 GMT
Why would I deserve (or not deserve) something that I pay an awful lot of money for?.. Do I deserve my Range Rover - hmm, on second thoughts perhaps I do.. Because you don't believe in it. If I am paying an awful lot of money for a service do I have to believe in it? - surely all that has to happen is for that service to be delivered? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 18:00:02 GMT
Here, have my standard cut & paste reply:
Since the formation of the NHS two-thirds of our governments have been Tory and the NHS is still with us. Yet every week someone, somewhere foretells the imminent doom of the NHS at the hands of the Tories. Well sorry guys, but it's been 74 years and they haven't privatised it yet. They have been doing it by stealth,according to some who work in the NHS its just about already collapsed now Sajid Javid said it would be a good idea to make people pay to see their GP,many can't even get to see one already,just another example of the destruction of the NHS. Making people pay for NHS services was introduced by the Labour Party in 1951 - it's a bit late for you to start complaining now.. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 27, 2023 18:58:20 GMT
I wasn't picked out of the audience, I wonder why. I cant help thinking if i had said I've waited over 40 years to say "STAY IN" they would have had me on the bloody panel never mind asking a question
Once on the British Democracy Forum a lot of bloggers there said they had applied for Question Time yet never got invited unless they lied and said they supported Labour. |
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Post by vlk on Jan 27, 2023 20:14:13 GMT
The NHS is certainly better than the American model of health service but is it better than the national health services of other western European countries?
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 27, 2023 21:01:29 GMT
The NHS is certainly better than the American model of health service but is it better than the national health services of other western European countries? Good point. I’m sure the Scandinavians have a wonderful system but they pay in tax what the Americans get billed to their in work health insurance or so it seems I’m sure someone on a different thread recently suggested the Germans get a lot more for what seems not a lot more money. I wonder how they do it. |
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