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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 6:55:45 GMT
This Conservative government should have initiated this. They don't have anything to hide as far BJ's Brexit goes, in the first place. Or do they? www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mps-set-to-debate-brexit-consequences-for-very-first-time/ar-AA16LY38?cvid=31b7ec4908b14182bf9a96d7d3dcaef6
MPs set to debate Brexit consequences for very first time
Story by Adam Forrest • Yesterday 18:33
Parliament is set to debate the consequences of Brexit for the very first time after a petition demanding MPs discuss the subject passed 100,000 signatures.
Anti-Brexit campaigners pushing for inquiry into the impact of Britain’s exit from the EU on the economy and other areas welcomed the development as frustration with Brexit grows.
Petitions which reach 100,000 signatures are almost always debated under parliamentary rules – through they usually take place in Westminster Hall rather than the main Commons chamber.
The past year has seen a rise in Brexit regret – or “Bregret” – as opinion poll saw an increasing number of Britons saying it has gone badly and record high support for re-joining the EU.
In October, a Redfield and Wilton Strategies poll found record support for reversing Brexit at 57 per cent, compared to just 43 per cent who want to stay out of the EU.
And in December some 65 per cent of all voters told Opinium that Brexit is going badly, while only 21 per cent believe it is going well – the highest level of negativity since Boris Johnson’s trade deal came into force.
Peter Packham, chair of the campaign for a public inquiry into the consequences of Brexit, said poll findings demonstrated a “widespread feeling” that an independent look at the impact of leaving the EU was needed.
“The public has a fundamental right to know the reality of what Brexit has done to our country,” said Mr Packham. “It’s entirely wrong that the government wants to deny the British people their right to know.”
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 27, 2023 7:24:55 GMT
It's too early. And leaving the EU has coincided with the pandemic - which has had a huge impact on economies. Give it at least 10 years. What we should have is an analysis of the damage caused by JOINING the EU.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 8:06:20 GMT
What is a debate on Brexit consequences supposed to achieve? I predict a load of MPs simply restating that same position they have held for the past 6 years... good job there are no other problems they can be dealing with..  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 8:17:01 GMT
Oh dear, I'm getting that deja vu feeling. Yet another Brexit bashing thread from an established remainiac. After seven years it's getting a bit tedious.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 27, 2023 8:35:56 GMT
You can't find solutions if you can't define the problems.
Seems simple enough to me.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 9:13:10 GMT
The consequences are restored faith in the ballot box, better democracy, more choice.
And yet lefties are freaking out as they have no policy ideas of their own, so we have a Conservative majority government.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 10:20:11 GMT
It's too early. And leaving the EU has coincided with the pandemic - which has had a huge impact on economies. Give it at least 10 years. What we should have is an analysis of the damage caused by JOINING the EU. As soon as possible, if not immediately, is the best time to do it. The idea is to learn -- and learn from -- whether or not it was indeed beneficial. You want it to be relevant and timely and debating it ten years after would be just be an academic exercise. Everybody, particularly the government, needs to know now to ensure that long term policies are safe, realistic and beneficial to the UK. So far, the Tories have been running on their Brexit ideology and nothing else. Policies are made solely to cater to their Brexit agenda. Time to see whether they're justified doing it that way. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 10:24:41 GMT
"This post is hidden".
Love the iggy button.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 12:00:42 GMT
Oh dear, I'm getting that deja vu feeling. Yet another Brexit bashing thread from an established remainiac. After seven years it's getting a bit tedious. Yep. Big yawn. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 27, 2023 15:35:37 GMT
This Conservative government should have initiated this. They don't have anything to hide as far BJ's Brexit goes, in the first place. Or do they? www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/mps-set-to-debate-brexit-consequences-for-very-first-time/ar-AA16LY38?cvid=31b7ec4908b14182bf9a96d7d3dcaef6
MPs set to debate Brexit consequences for very first time
Story by Adam Forrest • Yesterday 18:33
Parliament is set to debate the consequences of Brexit for the very first time after a petition demanding MPs discuss the subject passed 100,000 signatures.
Anti-Brexit campaigners pushing for inquiry into the impact of Britain’s exit from the EU on the economy and other areas welcomed the development as frustration with Brexit grows.
Petitions which reach 100,000 signatures are almost always debated under parliamentary rules – through they usually take place in Westminster Hall rather than the main Commons chamber.
The past year has seen a rise in Brexit regret – or “Bregret” – as opinion poll saw an increasing number of Britons saying it has gone badly and record high support for re-joining the EU.
In October, a Redfield and Wilton Strategies poll found record support for reversing Brexit at 57 per cent, compared to just 43 per cent who want to stay out of the EU.
And in December some 65 per cent of all voters told Opinium that Brexit is going badly, while only 21 per cent believe it is going well – the highest level of negativity since Boris Johnson’s trade deal came into force.
Peter Packham, chair of the campaign for a public inquiry into the consequences of Brexit, said poll findings demonstrated a “widespread feeling” that an independent look at the impact of leaving the EU was needed.
“The public has a fundamental right to know the reality of what Brexit has done to our country,” said Mr Packham. “It’s entirely wrong that the government wants to deny the British people their right to know.”
Yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. Get a feckin life. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 28, 2023 7:25:48 GMT
It's too early. And leaving the EU has coincided with the pandemic - which has had a huge impact on economies. Give it at least 10 years. What we should have is an analysis of the damage caused by JOINING the EU. As soon as possible, if not immediately, is the best time to do it. The idea is to learn -- and learn from -- whether or not it was indeed beneficial. You want it to be relevant and timely and debating it ten years after would be just be an academic exercise. Everybody, particularly the government, needs to know now to ensure that long term policies are safe, realistic and beneficial to the UK. So far, the Tories have been running on their Brexit ideology and nothing else. Policies are made solely to cater to their Brexit agenda. Time to see whether they're justified doing it that way. Beneficial in what way? It's difficult to judge the economic effect because the pandemic has caused so much damage to all economies (including EU economies). Also Brexit isn't yet complete - we need to sort out the NI Protocol and repeal a lot of EU laws/rules that we don't need. I don't think the govt have even started that yet. All we're seeing so far is how difficult the EU can be when it really tries, mainly in trying to hinder trade with NI. The whole point of Brexit is to adopt our own policies but we haven't yet done that because our politicians have been too busy arguing among themselves about who should be PM. I'm still waiting for an apology from the Tories for taking us into the EU on the false promise that it wasn't a political project. That's the biggest lie ever. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 9:44:30 GMT
First, the leave politicians talked a lot about change and opportunity but had no detailed plans about what needed changing or how.
They still don't.
Second, in this age of relative economic poverty, there is no other way to prioritise than to closely look at what would be most beneficial for the smallest cost.
If this is what the study is for it would be the first time in 6 years that anyone actually looked at the realities of the consequences of Brexit. Instead they have been spaffing money up the wall.
Moggie couldn't find any benefits...maybe someone intelligent can.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 28, 2023 10:11:44 GMT
Benefits to our democracy, increased trust in the ballot box, more trade with the USA already, a more outward looking UK.
Fewer pickpockets and other imported EU criminals.
Still got the issue of Albanian criminals coming over from France but that could be cured. Send planes over Calais from manston with we're deporting Albanians on it. Send the illegals back.
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Post by see2 on Jan 28, 2023 10:33:59 GMT
The consequences are restored faith in the ballot box, better democracy, more choice. And yet lefties are freaking out as they have no policy ideas of their own, so we have a Conservative majority government. No thinking individual would put the future of the country directly into the unreliable vagaries of public opinion. Representative Democracy may not be perfect but it beats referendum hands down. You will not know Labour's Policies until the manifesto is published. So obvious it shouldn't need to be pointed out. The job right now is the pointing out of Tory incompetence. Arguing about Labour policies would only take pressure off the Tories. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 10:45:35 GMT
First, the leave politicians talked a lot about change and opportunity but had no detailed plans about what needed changing or how. They still don't. Second, in this age of relative economic poverty, there is no other way to prioritise than to closely look at what would be most beneficial for the smallest cost. If this is what the study is for it would be the first time in 6 years that anyone actually looked at the realities of the consequences of Brexit. Instead they have been spaffing money up the wall. Moggie couldn't find any benefits...maybe someone intelligent can. I wonder whether remainiacs are genuinely dim. Let me explain what Brexit was about, it's not complicated. Ahem... "Brext was about the UK leaving the EU". It wasn't about retaining 'some' links with the EU, or staying in the single market or customs union, Brexit was about the UK leaving the clutches of the EU and regaining our sovereignty and independence. And guess what? On 31 January 2020 the UK did indeed regain it's sovereignty and independence. OK thanks to remainiacs who spent four or five years attempting to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history it took a lot longer than it should have, but democracy did, eventually, prevail. But hey, remainiacs know that, don't you. |
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