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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 10:53:02 GMT
The consequences are restored faith in the ballot box, better democracy, more choice. And yet lefties are freaking out as they have no policy ideas of their own, so we have a Conservative majority government. No thinking individual would put the future of the country directly into the unreliable vagaries of public opinion. Representative Democracy may not be perfect but it beats referendum hands down. You will not know Labour's Policies until the manifesto is published. So obvious it shouldn't need to be pointed out. The job right now is the pointing out of Tory incompetence. Arguing about Labour policies would only take pressure off the Tories. My god, you lefties are dangerous. You regard the majority with contempt and see democracy as a mere inconvenience. You claim representative democracy beats referendums, would you be saying that if we had voted to remain in the EU? Ha. The left are the biggest threat to democracy since Herr Hitler embarked on his European tour. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 10:54:01 GMT
The consequences are restored faith in the ballot box, better democracy, more choice. And yet lefties are freaking out as they have no policy ideas of their own, so we have a Conservative majority government. No thinking individual would put the future of the country directly into the unreliable vagaries of public opinion. Representative Democracy may not be perfect but it beats referendum hands down. You will not know Labour's Policies until the manifesto is published. So obvious it shouldn't need to be pointed out. The job right now is the pointing out of Tory incompetence. Arguing about Labour policies would only take pressure off the Tories. I have Vinny on ignore but have to see some of his stuff when someone quotes him. RESTORED TRUST IN THE BALLOT BOX?? Are you blind as well as deaf? In every media outlet there are people going on about the way politicians mislead the public. We have had three Tory administrations and after a mere couple of months, two major financial enquiries into tax affairs involving the two highest placed cabinet members. We have a ditzy home secretary who was fired for misleading parliament and rehired three weeks later by the new PM who replaced the previous one who managed 7 weeks in the post. Do you really think this suggests confidence in the democracy we use in this country?? What I hear is "I am sick of the lot of them". And it has NOTHING to do with Brexit. Democracy in the UK has been diluted and dirtied over a number of years and instead of constantly going on about Brexit you might better campaign for a better form of democracy to correct some of the appalling state of our political structure that I mentioned above. BETTER CHOICE?? Of what? Certainly not political personnel or parties. Hell, Boris is wanting another turn at the wheel. Same politicians just move around the chess board each time there is a new administration. The inner circle just gets another push round the wheel. I don't know what lives in Vinny's head but it certainly doesn't correspond to the world of the rest of us. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 10:57:07 GMT
First, the leave politicians talked a lot about change and opportunity but had no detailed plans about what needed changing or how. They still don't. Second, in this age of relative economic poverty, there is no other way to prioritise than to closely look at what would be most beneficial for the smallest cost. If this is what the study is for it would be the first time in 6 years that anyone actually looked at the realities of the consequences of Brexit. Instead they have been spaffing money up the wall. Moggie couldn't find any benefits...maybe someone intelligent can. I wonder whether remainiacs are genuinely dim. Let me explain what Brexit was about, it's not complicated. Ahem... "Brext was about the UK leaving the EU". It wasn't about retaining 'some' links with the EU, or staying in the single market or customs union, Brexit was about the UK leaving the clutches of the EU and regaining our sovereignty and independence. And guess what? On 31 January 2020 the UK did indeed regain it's sovereignty and independence. OK thanks to remainiacs who spent four or five years attempting to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history it took a lot longer than it should have, but democracy did, eventually, prevail. But hey, remainiacs know that, don't you. Now perhaps you could address the subject of the thread. If that is all there is, why is the government assessing the result "only" 6 years after the referendum? And still can't answer what the benefits are? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 11:03:03 GMT
I wonder whether remainiacs are genuinely dim. Let me explain what Brexit was about, it's not complicated. Ahem... "Brext was about the UK leaving the EU". It wasn't about retaining 'some' links with the EU, or staying in the single market or customs union, Brexit was about the UK leaving the clutches of the EU and regaining our sovereignty and independence. And guess what? On 31 January 2020 the UK did indeed regain it's sovereignty and independence. OK thanks to remainiacs who spent four or five years attempting to overturn the biggest democratic vote in British history it took a lot longer than it should have, but democracy did, eventually, prevail. But hey, remainiacs know that, don't you. Now perhaps you could address the subject of the thread. If that is all there is, why is the government assessing the result "only" 6 years after the referendum? And still can't answer what the benefits are? You don't seem to understand, to be expected. The benefit and the reason we voted to leave the EU was to regain our sovereignty and independence, which has happened. Brexit was obviously a success. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 11:05:55 GMT
No thinking individual would put the future of the country directly into the unreliable vagaries of public opinion. Representative Democracy may not be perfect but it beats referendum hands down. You will not know Labour's Policies until the manifesto is published. So obvious it shouldn't need to be pointed out. The job right now is the pointing out of Tory incompetence. Arguing about Labour policies would only take pressure off the Tories. My god, you lefties are dangerous. You regard the majority with contempt and see democracy as a mere inconvenience. You claim representative democracy beats referendums, would you be saying that if we had voted to remain in the EU? Ha. The left are the biggest threat to democracy since Herr Hitler embarked on his European tour. It wasn't a valid referendum other than in process. It was a right royal rip off by a bunch of people who had no idea what they were going to do with it,promised what could never be delivered and clearly still don't. Why start a study to work out what to do with it 6 years after it was made possible? Meanwhile the numpties have been in power for 12 years and over half of that have made the UK the laughing stock of its allies, nearly collapsed the economy, has pushed the UK to the bottom of G7 economic growth and are ALWAYS fending off corruption charges usually to do with their personal tax. It did take a while...for the general public to realise what charlatans the Brexit politicians were...and are. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 11:06:07 GMT
I have Vinny on ignore but have to see some of his stuff when someone quotes him. RESTORED TRUST IN THE BALLOT BOX?? Are you blind as well as deaf?... Whoa there, if you have Vin on ignore why the hell are you talking about him? If you're not big enough to talk to him, don't talk about him. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 11:08:23 GMT
My god, you lefties are dangerous. You regard the majority with contempt and see democracy as a mere inconvenience. You claim representative democracy beats referendums, would you be saying that if we had voted to remain in the EU? Ha. The left are the biggest threat to democracy since Herr Hitler embarked on his European tour. It wasn't a valid referendum other than in process. It was a right royal rip off by a bunch of people who had no idea what they were going to do with it,promised what could never be delivered and clearly still don't. Why start a study to work out what to do with it 6 years after it was made possible? Meanwhile the numpties have been in power for 12 years and over half of that have made the UK the laughing stock of its allies, nearly collapsed the economy, has pushed the UK to the bottom of G7 economic growth and are ALWAYS fending off corruption charges usually to do with their personal tax. It did take a while...for the general public to realise what charlatans the Brexit politicians were...and are. The only reason you claim it wasn't a valid referendum is because you lost. If the result had gone the other way you remainiacs would be shouting the virtues of referendums from the rooftops. You are nothing but bad losers. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 11:08:56 GMT
Now perhaps you could address the subject of the thread. If that is all there is, why is the government assessing the result "only" 6 years after the referendum? And still can't answer what the benefits are? You don't seem to understand, to be expected. The benefit and the reason we voted to leave the EU was to regain our sovereignty and independence, which has happened. Brexit was obviously a success. You don't need to repeat yourself. It doesn't make you any more credible. Can you please list the actual functioning day to day benefits for the people of this country which can be attributed to regaining our sovereignty?? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 11:10:54 GMT
I have Vinny on ignore but have to see some of his stuff when someone quotes him. RESTORED TRUST IN THE BALLOT BOX?? Are you blind as well as deaf?... Whoa there, if you have Vin on ignore why the hell are you talking about him? If you're not big enough to talk to him, don't talk about him. I explained that. Please keep up. It is perfectly fine to talk about someone you have on ignore. I happened to catch his post when quoted by someone else. Any more questions please contact the mods. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 11:11:05 GMT
You don't seem to understand, to be expected. The benefit and the reason we voted to leave the EU was to regain our sovereignty and independence, which has happened. Brexit was obviously a success. You don't need to repeat yourself. It doesn't make you any more credible. Can you please list the actual functioning day to day benefits for the people of this country which can be attributed to regaining our sovereignty?? But I'm repeating the reason we voted to leave the EU! To regain our sovereignty and independence. There was no other reason. That is what Brexit meant. To exit the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 28, 2023 11:14:44 GMT
My god, you lefties are dangerous. You regard the majority with contempt and see democracy as a mere inconvenience. You claim representative democracy beats referendums, would you be saying that if we had voted to remain in the EU? Ha. The left are the biggest threat to democracy since Herr Hitler embarked on his European tour. It wasn't a valid referendum other than in process. It was a right royal rip off by a bunch of people who had no idea what they were going to do with it,promised what could never be delivered and clearly still don't. Why start a study to work out what to do with it 6 years after it was made possible? Meanwhile the numpties have been in power for 12 years and over half of that have made the UK the laughing stock of its allies, nearly collapsed the economy, has pushed the UK to the bottom of G7 economic growth and are ALWAYS fending off corruption charges usually to do with their personal tax. It did take a while...for the general public to realise what charlatans the Brexit politicians were...and are. You don't understand. Brexit is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Get over yourself. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 28, 2023 11:16:24 GMT
Uncontrolled immigration for me.
The Albanians coming over in rubber dinghies can be controlled , free movement can’t .
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 11:18:55 GMT
It wasn't a valid referendum other than in process. It was a right royal rip off by a bunch of people who had no idea what they were going to do with it,promised what could never be delivered and clearly still don't. Why start a study to work out what to do with it 6 years after it was made possible? Meanwhile the numpties have been in power for 12 years and over half of that have made the UK the laughing stock of its allies, nearly collapsed the economy, has pushed the UK to the bottom of G7 economic growth and are ALWAYS fending off corruption charges usually to do with their personal tax. It did take a while...for the general public to realise what charlatans the Brexit politicians were...and are. The only reason you claim it wasn't a valid referendum is because you lost. If the result had gone the other way you remainiacs would be shouting the virtues of referendums from the rooftops. You are nothing but bad losers. I never mentioned the relative merits of referendums over representative democracy. That was See2. Please keep up. And when you do reply to a post, please address its contents. What I described as the events inside the Tory party, elected due to the results of Brexit with an 80 seat majority and could do anything it wanted, has become a joke. A rancid, useless, waste of taxpayers money and personal tax fiddling which will leave the UK in a far far worse place than they found it. How is that list of Brexit benefits for the average UK citizen going? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 28, 2023 11:22:31 GMT
You don't need to repeat yourself. It doesn't make you any more credible. Can you please list the actual functioning day to day benefits for the people of this country which can be attributed to regaining our sovereignty?? But I'm repeating the reason we voted to leave the EU! To regain our sovereignty and independence. There was no other reason. That is what Brexit meant. To exit the EU. Nothing more, nothing less. Will you please stop posting the same thing that does not address the posts you are replying to? Now I asked you what benefits UK sovereignty has brought. I am still waiting for an answer. BTW there were at least a dozen reasons why the UK voted to leave including poking Cameron in the eye. Most of the rest were that fools believed the lies politicians told. Some real idiots still think they will happen. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 28, 2023 11:23:05 GMT
The only reason you claim it wasn't a valid referendum is because you lost. If the result had gone the other way you remainiacs would be shouting the virtues of referendums from the rooftops. You are nothing but bad losers. I never mentioned the relative merits of referendums over representative democracy. That was See2. Please keep up. And when you do reply to a post, please address its contents. What I described as the events inside the Tory party, elected due to the results of Brexit with an 80 seat majority and could do anything it wanted, has become a joke. A rancid, useless, waste of taxpayers money and personal tax fiddling which will leave the UK in a far far worse place than they found it. How is that list of Brexit benefits for the average UK citizen going? This list of Brexit benefits you mention, what are you talking about, what list are you referring to? |
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