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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 15:23:57 GMT
Just one reason, you can work others out for yourself rather than barking out orders....they didn't have to pay to get to work. I notice you are frequently posting via mobile, I hope you are not doing it from your place of work. generally means they haven't got home landline broadband, so have to use mobile. He works foir some department run by government or local government, if he's working from home he'd almost certainly have broadband. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 23, 2023 15:35:12 GMT
generally means they haven't got home landline broadband, so have to use mobile. He works foir some department run by government or local government, if he's working from home he'd almost certainly have broadband. Indeed. I train people in council tax and benefits, and have done for over 20 years. Yet we have people who then tell me I'm confused and don't know what I'm talking about after reading a Daily Mail headline. That's why I walk away from many conversations on here, people don't actually want to understand, they just want to rant. And most of the ranting is nonsense. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 23, 2023 15:36:35 GMT
Are employers obliged to pay furlough?
For most employees on a salary, or with a guaranteed minimum number of hours the employer remains obliged to pay the employee in full if it is not in a position to offer work. To that extent the furlough scheme subsidises the employer's wage cost but does not replace the obligation to pay wages". You are confusing the instructions to employers that formed part of the later schemes, where the government funded less than 80% of the scheme and required the company to pay NI and pensions, with the original scheme. The original instructions and notes to employees have been withdrawn from the HMRC website but various unions and solicitors such as the link I choose there retain the advice as given If you read it, it stated categorically that as an employee you will be entitled to 80% of your normal pay, and that while NO employer is obliged to make up the remaining 20% some may choose to do so Most civil servants found their furlough pay was set at 100% I have hot heard of a single private business who did that. My own salary was cut to 80% of normal for the entire scheme. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 16:18:39 GMT
He works foir some department run by government or local government, if he's working from home he'd almost certainly have broadband. Indeed. I train people in council tax and benefits, and have done for over 20 years. Yet we have people who then tell me I'm confused and don't know what I'm talking about after reading a Daily Mail headline. That's why I walk away from many conversations on here, people don't actually want to understand, they just want to rant. And most of the ranting is nonsense. Be honest most benefits advisors are voluntary, not meaning to demean them, they do a sterling job helping ordinary people claim what they are legally entitled to, something that the government aren't always so forthcoming about.
As far as I am aware there is no government department that train people in council tax or benefits claims, they are generally independent organisations.
you can correct me if I am wrong.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 16:23:14 GMT
Indeed. I train people in council tax and benefits, and have done for over 20 years. Yet we have people who then tell me I'm confused and don't know what I'm talking about after reading a Daily Mail headline. That's why I walk away from many conversations on here, people don't actually want to understand, they just want to rant. And most of the ranting is nonsense. Be honest most benefits advisors are voluntary, not meaning to demean them, they do a sterling job helping ordinary people claim what they are legally entitled to, something that the government aren't always so forthcoming about.
As far as I am aware there is no government department that train people in council tax or benefits claims, they are generally independent organisations.
you can correct me if I am wrong.
I think he may train the people who advise the public. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 16:37:24 GMT
Be honest most benefits advisors are voluntary, not meaning to demean them, they do a sterling job helping ordinary people claim what they are legally entitled to, something that the government aren't always so forthcoming about.
As far as I am aware there is no government department that train people in council tax or benefits claims, they are generally independent organisations.
you can correct me if I am wrong.
I think he may train the people who advise the public. That doesn't mean he's employed by the government, it could be some voluntary organisation, in any case if he's helping genuine people who need help and support good on him. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 23, 2023 16:41:25 GMT
Toreador is correct. I train staff who help the public on behalf of local government. No, I'm not a volunteer. I work for an outsourcer on behalf of a number of local councils.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 16:44:53 GMT
How come when you quote a link from a main media source that does not suit the leftie agenda, they try to make out you invented the story. LOL They want you to go turn detective and investigate the whole article for autenthentisity, yet the same bunch of lefties were drooling over every negative article written about Johnson and partygate, notice the lefties didn't want you to back up claims Johnson broke lockdown rules LOL I hope see2 'demands' we investigate this allegation, or is it more lies, just a made up story LOL
Ex-Labour MP Jared O'Mara, 41, 'falsely claimed £30,000 in expenses because he was in "dire need of cash" to fund "prodigious" cocaine habit'
O'Mara won his seat from former Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg in 2017
But he stood down at the 2019 General Election after series of scandals
......It's all lies, lies I tell you, It's all lies because it's a leftie being accused LOL
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 17:19:49 GMT
No one appeared to be less well off under the furlough scheme, in fact most were better off Please explain how people were "better off" on 80% of their wages? They had no costs of going to work. No transport costs, no canteen costs, no clothing costs.. do you need me to go on? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 23, 2023 17:56:24 GMT
I do believe that I have already addressed this twice?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 18:04:11 GMT
I do believe that I have already addressed this twice? Well you cited increased gas and electric - considering that most of the furlough was over the summer months I'm not sure there was that much increased costs for those items. As it happens during the furlough personal savings rose so people were better off. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 23, 2023 18:11:32 GMT
Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned. We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. What further benefit cuts? They have just had a 10% pay rise! |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 23, 2023 18:21:13 GMT
No one appeared to be less well off under the furlough scheme, in fact most were better off Please explain how people were "better off" on 80% of their wages? No travel or office clothes costs for example |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 23, 2023 18:26:21 GMT
We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. What further benefit cuts? They have just had a 10% pay rise! Headline rate yes, living (day to day) expenses will increase in April, but the LHA rates, which cover people's housing, have been frozen again. The average shortfall between the housing costs and people's actual rents is already over 10%, so with rents spiralling that gap is growing. The single person's weekly allowance will be increased to £84.80, from it's current rate of £77.00. So although this is increasing by £7.40, if you have a shortfall in your rent of £20 or £30, and your rent is going up, you are almost certainly going to be worse off (and that's before you pay your gas/electric bill). And this applies to both working age and pension age claimants. To view the LHA rates in your area, click on lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/Secure/Search.aspx and then compare that with average rents, then you can see that a lot of people are basically screwed. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 23, 2023 18:32:31 GMT
What further benefit cuts? They have just had a 10% pay rise! Headline rate yes, living (day to day) expenses will increase in April, but the LHA rates, which cover people's housing, have been frozen again. The average shortfall between the housing costs and people's actual rents is already over 10%, so with rents spiralling that gap is growing. The single person's weekly allowance will be increased to £84.80, from it's current rate of £77.00. So although this is increasing by £7.40, if you have a shortfall in your rent of £20 or £30, and your rent is going up, you are almost certainly going to be worse off (and that's before you pay your gas/electric bill). And this applies to both working age and pension age claimants. To view the LHA rates in your area, click on lha-direct.voa.gov.uk/Secure/Search.aspx and then compare that with average rents, then you can see that a lot of people are basically screwed. Let me get this right You are posting that on top of all the benefits the workshy already get (+the 10% payrise) they also get about 90% of rent paid by the taxpayer? They only pay 10% of rent? It's effectively free housing Unbelievable |
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