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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 5:05:42 GMT
Come in on a dinghy unable to even speak English , get free housing, money to live on, medical care, education etc. then send for the rest of your non English speaking family including grandparents etc. who will also never work. There's a place to start !.......I wonder how many of them who knock this government are milking the system for all its worth?
Shocking rise of 'something for nothing Britain': Over half of households get more from the State than they pay in tax... while top 10% of earners account for 53% of all income tax MPs say the support provided during Covid 'changed the psyche' of the country The poorest fifth households get £17,600 more in benefits than they pay in tax The reliance on the State spiked between 2020 and 2022 due to lockdowns.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 7:54:35 GMT
The cost of the welfare state is exploding out of all relation to the ability of the country to afford it. Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned.
When 83 per cent of all income tax is now paid by just 40 per cent of British adults, and the top fifth of taxpayers account for two thirds of the total income for the Exchequer from earnings, then the writing is on the wall - all it takes is a small percentage to stop work or go overseas and the loss of that taxation makes the whole system untenable.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 23, 2023 8:03:24 GMT
Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned. We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 8:08:13 GMT
Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned. We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those tha t are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. Many of that type used to sweep the factory floor when we were awash with factories. Many on benefits do car boots and other earners. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 8:12:25 GMT
Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned. We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. When single mums working 2 days at Tesco and paying no tax at all can get £39k in benefits then there is plenty of scope for benefit cuts. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 8:15:01 GMT
We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those tha t are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. Many of that type used to sweep the factory floor when we were awash with factories. Many on benefits do car boots and other earners. Indeed - when I started work we had a guy who in the modern parlance was 'unemployable' - but he worked as our cleaner in the factory. He was a bit slow and not that bright but he enjoyed coming to work every day as it gave him purpose. Now he would just be left at home sitting on the sofa to vegitate. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:42:22 GMT
We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. working 2 days at Tesco and paying no tax at all can get £39k in benefits then there is plenty of scope for benefit cuts. All those who get knocked up as a career choice. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 10:09:44 GMT
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Post by Orac on Jan 23, 2023 10:28:30 GMT
They are trying to get people used to not looking after themselves and rather thinking of themselves as wards of some UK soviet
It's very sinister.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 10:42:09 GMT
The Covid lockdown got people use to staying at home and getting paid for doing nothing, working people on lockdown should not have gone on furlough schemes, they basically got the same amount of pay to stay at home and do nothing.
They should have been placed on temporary unemployment benefits which would have only paid them the going rate for unemployment benefit, most of those on furlough schemes especially the hospitality industry have not returned to their old jobs.
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Post by Orac on Jan 23, 2023 10:46:28 GMT
The Covid lockdown got people use to staying at home and getting paid for doing nothing, working people on lockdown should not have gone on furlough schemes, they basically got the same amount of pay to stay at home and do nothing. They should have been placed on temporary unemployment benefits which would have only paid them the going rate for unemployment benefit, most of those on furlough schemes especially the hospitality industry have not returned to their old jobs. The problem with that is that the furlough wasn't really optional. The government would be saying to millions of people that we are forcing you into effective unemployment and you just have to lump it. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 10:56:49 GMT
The cost of the welfare state is exploding out of all relation to the ability of the country to afford it. Handouts need to be reigned in and the expectation that people work to support themselves needs to be relearned. When 83 per cent of all income tax is now paid by just 40 per cent of British adults, and the top fifth of taxpayers account for two thirds of the total income for the Exchequer from earnings, then the writing is on the wall - all it takes is a small percentage to stop work or go overseas and the loss of that taxation makes the whole system untenable. Your fear (excuse finding) campaign has been going on for far too long, half a century as far as I'm aware, to be taken seriously. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 23, 2023 11:06:33 GMT
The Covid lockdown got people use to staying at home and getting paid for doing nothing, working people on lockdown should not have gone on furlough schemes, they basically got the same amount of pay to stay at home and do nothing. They should have been placed on temporary unemployment benefits which would have only paid them the going rate for unemployment benefit, most of those on furlough schemes especially the hospitality industry have not returned to their old jobs. The problem with that is that the furlough wasn't really optional. The government would be saying to millions of people that we are forcing you into effective unemployment and you just have to lump it.It was ill thought out really, because a lot of employers especially in the hospitality industry are finding it hard to recruit staff, mainly because the ones on furlough were mainly young school leavers starting out, and furlough gave them a taste for staying at home doing nothing and getting paid.
I say this because we dine out quite a lot of places, and many of the 'old' faces (meaning the young regular servers) have not returned since lockdown was lifted, and they always seem to advertising for staff.
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 11:09:36 GMT
We have very low unemployment. I'd suggest that those that are unemployed long term now are those that are unemployable. I'm not really sure what you can do about that, and I'm not sure that further benefits cuts are helpful. When single mums working 2 days at Tesco and paying no tax at all can get £39k in benefits then there is plenty of scope for benefit cuts. "can get" is entirely different to 'do get' so who knows what extras are available or why they are available. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 23, 2023 11:10:37 GMT
People who don't believe in arithmetic probably need to be confined for their own safety
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