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Post by zanygame on Jan 27, 2023 6:44:01 GMT
This argument is about how we got here its about electric cars now. I've already agreed that it was necessary to push the technology, but now its pretty fab It's crap. No amount of happy clappy gaslighting is going to make (say) a plumber not notice it. Well you keep yours and I'll keep mine. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 27, 2023 6:50:33 GMT
This argument is about how we got here its about electric cars now. I've already agreed that it was necessary to push the technology, but now its pretty fabif they were 'pretty fab' you wouldn't need government legislation forcing you to buy them. As I said, you needed government pressure to get the ball rolling and cause the investment needed. But now they are selling on their own merits. And as Baron says the day after tomorrow ICE cars will look like steam engines. Electric cars are smoother, quieter and faster than the noisy old petrol and diesel ones. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 8:10:16 GMT
if they were 'pretty fab' you wouldn't need government legislation forcing you to buy them. As I said, you needed government pressure to get the ball rolling and cause the investment needed. But now they are selling on their own merits. And as Baron says the day after tomorrow ICE cars will look like steam engines. Electric cars are smoother, quieter and faster than the noisy old petrol and diesel ones. and less convenient |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 8:11:25 GMT
Ninety percent of the electric cars that have been sold in the UK are still on the road. The other ten percent made it home...  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 8:35:19 GMT
As I said, you needed government pressure to get the ball rolling and cause the investment needed. But now they are selling on their own merits. And as Baron says the day after tomorrow ICE cars will look like steam engines. Electric cars are smoother, quieter and faster than the noisy old petrol and diesel ones. and less convenient And more expensive to build, more expensive to buy, more expensive to run, and more expensive to dispose of. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 27, 2023 10:22:11 GMT
The more electric cars are sold, the more people will know their limitations. I beg to differ. I know you do. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 27, 2023 10:27:54 GMT
Wishful thinking doesn’t mean that R&D will make them viable in a reasonable time. What's reasonable in your mind Depends. In the time it takes for new EVs to take over from petrol/ diesel cars and be as cheap to run , 200 miles between charges and easily charged when brung used on long journeys. Thsrs not going to happen if new petrol cars are banned in 2030. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 27, 2023 10:37:46 GMT
With charging times being the way they are (and are likely to stay), an EV would need to have a single charge range of several thousand miles for it to be as convenient as a petrol vehicle
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Post by jonksy on Jan 27, 2023 12:54:17 GMT
if they were 'pretty fab' you wouldn't need government legislation forcing you to buy them. As I said, you needed government pressure to get the ball rolling and cause the investment needed. But now they are selling on their own merits. And as Baron says the day after tomorrow ICE cars will look like steam engines. Electric cars are smoother, quieter and faster than the noisy old petrol and diesel ones. That they are, we Call em carpet slippered bastards down here ain’t it something when the drivers have to lean it of their windows shouting Brum Brum so they don’t frighten the shit out of pedestrians. Electric cars are nothing more that an ECO catastrophe……Fuck your electric cars who wants a frigging car with a sewing machine as an engine? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 13:19:38 GMT
With charging times being the way they are (and are likely to stay), an EV would need to have a single charge range of several thousand miles for it to be as convenient as a petrol vehicle 15m to charge a CATL battery to 80%.
Forget the facts and make errors.
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Post by Orac on Jan 27, 2023 13:30:35 GMT
With charging times being the way they are (and are likely to stay), an EV would need to have a single charge range of several thousand miles for it to be as convenient as a petrol vehicle 15m to charge a CATL battery to 80%.
Forget the facts and make errors. Fast charge regularly and destroy your battery Btw - the charging time issue isn't only a matter of the battery and what you have there is a claim rather than a current technology. If every claim made in this field were true, this problem would have ben solved decades ago. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 27, 2023 13:36:04 GMT
15m to charge a CATL battery to 80%.
Forget the facts and make errors. Fast charge regularly and destroy your battery Btw - the charging time issue isn't only a matter of the battery. The future of motoring...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 14:11:24 GMT
15m to charge a CATL battery to 80%.
Forget the facts and make errors. Fast charge regularly and destroy your battery Btw - the charging time issue isn't only a matter of the battery and what you have there is a claim rather than a current technology. If every claim made in this field were true, this problem would have ben solved decades ago. It's illegal to make false claims as manufacturers. Just admit you made an error in saying that batteries can not be fast-charged safely and without undue degradation. CATL batteries also make a claim as to how many miles they will run in their lifetime. Feel free to get more precise technical information if you want. I'm just alerting you to the false thinking here. Perhaps if you took an interest in battery technology you would see it more clearly. There are millions of differently combinations of chemicals and elements that one can use in a battery. It is very complicated. To imagine they are all the same is wrong. Each scheme has its own unique set of characteristics. The dendritic growth problem is being fixed. Not in this country though. We are laggards. Chinese mega corporations put billions into R and D. Like Tesla are only as cool as they are because they use CATL and BYD batteries. Not even the US can keep up with these guys. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 27, 2023 14:47:11 GMT
Fast charge regularly and destroy your battery Btw - the charging time issue isn't only a matter of the battery and what you have there is a claim rather than a current technology. If every claim made in this field were true, this problem would have ben solved decades ago. Just admit you made an error in saying that batteries can not be fast-charged safely and without undue degradation. CATL batteries also make a claim as to how many miles they will run in their lifetime. Feel free to get more precise technical information if you want. I'm just alerting you to the false thinking here. Perhaps if you took an interest in battery technology you would see it more clearly. There are millions of differently combinations of chemicals and elements that one can use in a battery. It is very complicated. To imagine they are all the same is wrong. Each scheme has its own unique set of characteristics. The dendritic growth problem is being fixed. Not in this country though. We are laggards. Chinese mega corporations put billions into R and D. Like Tesla are only as cool as they are because they use CATL and BYD batteries. Not even the US can keep up with these guys. It didn't stop VW and Audi from doing so... |
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Post by Orac on Jan 27, 2023 15:15:51 GMT
Just admit you made an error in saying that batteries can not be fast-charged safely and without undue degradation. I didn't say that a no battery can be charged in ten minutes - I compared the performance of EVs with petrol cars. Give me a rough estimate as to the number of EVs employing the technology you mention. I can save you some time - it's more or less zero Not even the US can keep up with these guys. Just like the Chinese, you are getting over-excited. |
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