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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 15:18:13 GMT
It's illegal to make false claims as manufacturers. Just admit you made an error in saying that batteries can not be fast-charged safely and without undue degradation. CATL batteries also make a claim as to how many miles they will run in their lifetime. Feel free to get more precise technical information if you want. I'm just alerting you to the false thinking here. Perhaps if you took an interest in battery technology you would see it more clearly. There are millions of differently combinations of chemicals and elements that one can use in a battery. It is very complicated. To imagine they are all the same is wrong. Each scheme has its own unique set of characteristics. The dendritic growth problem is being fixed. Not in this country though. We are laggards. Chinese mega corporations put billions into R and D. Like Tesla are only as cool as they are because they use CATL and BYD batteries. Not even the US can keep up with these guys. It didn't stop VW and Audi from doing so... Have you seen the new VW electric cars? They tried to market them in China. The consumers bought them in good faith thinking they would live up to the claims, but in practice you could be driving along and the main car computer randomly does a Bill Gates blue screen job on you and you get debug messages coming up on the screen!!!
Yes the Chinese consumer does believe the claims. Their cars live up to them.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 15:20:54 GMT
Just admit you made an error in saying that batteries can not be fast-charged safely and without undue degradation. I didn't say that a no battery can be charged in ten minutes - I compared the performance of EVs with petrol cars. Give me a rough estimate as to the number of EVs employing the technology you mention. I can save you some time - it's more or less zero Not even the US can keep up with these guys. Just like the Chinese, you are getting over-excited. If your corporation grew 294% in one year you would be getting very excited. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 27, 2023 15:39:52 GMT
I didn't say that a no battery can be charged in ten minutes - I compared the performance of EVs with petrol cars. Give me a rough estimate as to the number of EVs employing the technology you mention. I can save you some time - it's more or less zero Just like the Chinese, you are getting over-excited. If your corporation grew 294% in one year you would be getting very excited. I buy certain items from China, occasionally it's a crock of shite, they're not nearly as perfect as you would have us believe. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 27, 2023 15:55:45 GMT
If your corporation grew 294% in one year you would be getting very excited. I buy certain items from China, occasionally it's a crock of shite, they're not nearly as perfect as you would have us believe. China is like Britain was about 70 years ago. There were totally shite things on the market and some of the best in the world. In this time the nanny state did not exist as it is today so you the punter had to discern good from bad. Perhaps you might only want a really cheap shite thing. Like say perhaps you need to buy a tent to go to a festival but you know you will only ever use it once. It's the old saying, you get what you pay for. There are bargains too, but you have to be shrewd. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2023 16:36:53 GMT
Interesting video on the realities of owning an EV - guy checks how many of the fast chargers are working near him and finds that 60% are out of action..  |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 27, 2023 18:42:49 GMT
As I said, you needed government pressure to get the ball rolling and cause the investment needed. But now they are selling on their own merits. And as Baron says the day after tomorrow ICE cars will look like steam engines. Electric cars are smoother, quieter and faster than the noisy old petrol and diesel ones. and less convenient Not for me. I hardly ever have to go to a petrol station as I put 38 miles into my car at home every night. My son has all electric can't remember the last time he needed a public charging post. The tall tales about electric cars are all from people who spend their entire lives driving from London to Manchester, usually via Budapest. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 29, 2023 11:35:15 GMT
Not for me. I hardly ever have to go to a petrol station as I put 38 miles into my car at home every night. My son has all electric can't remember the last time he needed a public charging post. The tall tales about electric cars are all from people who spend their entire lives driving from London to Manchester, usually via Budapest. We have covered this before - you dont have an EV and have home charging. Hence you are not representative of the realities of living with an EV. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 13:42:36 GMT
Not for me. I hardly ever have to go to a petrol station as I put 38 miles into my car at home every night. My son has all electric can't remember the last time he needed a public charging post. The tall tales about electric cars are all from people who spend their entire lives driving from London to Manchester, usually via Budapest. We have covered this before - you dont have an EV and have home charging. Hence you are not representative of the realities of living with an EV. No I have a hybrid with home charging. My son has a full EV with home charging. What's your experience that gives you the right to judge? |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 29, 2023 15:15:41 GMT
zanygame, I suspect the millions that live in apartments or shared accomodation won't be able to get house charging so many won't want to convert. Then what happens when you want to travel and need to charge on the go, you can't book a charging slot so will need to queue and wait your turn. Because of this I think for many Hybrid or HFC will be preferred.
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Post by Orac on Jan 29, 2023 15:24:20 GMT
Evs perhaps have a role for people who make a predictable regular journey with a guaranteed charging point at (at least) one side of the journey.
However, because this car will be pretty useless for any other role, a second car would be needed. If you are buying only one car or don't have a private garage, the logical choice is an ice
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 15:28:38 GMT
zanygame , I suspect the millions that live in apartments or shared accomodation won't be able to get house charging so many won't want to convert. Then what happens when you want to travel and need to charge on the go, you can't book a charging slot so will need to queue and wait your turn. Because of this I think for many Hybrid or HFC will be preferred. Agreed and having owned a plugin hybrid I'm hoping they lessen the restrictions and allow them. My current average MPG is 172mpg, that has to be good for the environment. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 29, 2023 15:32:32 GMT
zanygame , I suspect the millions that live in apartments or shared accomodation won't be able to get house charging so many won't want to convert. Then what happens when you want to travel and need to charge on the go, you can't book a charging slot so will need to queue and wait your turn. Because of this I think for many Hybrid or HFC will be preferred. Agreed and having owned a plugin hybrid I'm hoping they lessen the restrictions and allow them. My current average MPG is 172mpg, that has to be good for the environment. On the environmental issue undoubtedly good for local air quality on the macro level will depend on how the electricity is produced and whether your battery will perform as well as a well serviced combustion engine. |
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Post by Orac on Jan 29, 2023 15:36:21 GMT
Agreed and having owned a plugin hybrid I'm hoping they lessen the restrictions and allow them. My current average MPG is 172mpg, that has to be good for the environment. They need to allow hybrids per se. As the deadline gets closer it will become more and more evident what a total disaster this EV nonsense represents |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 29, 2023 15:37:52 GMT
Agreed and having owned a plugin hybrid I'm hoping they lessen the restrictions and allow them. My current average MPG is 172mpg, that has to be good for the environment. On the environmental issue undoubtedly good for local air quality on the macro level will depend on how the electricity is produced and whether your battery will perform as well as a well serviced combustion engine. Yes it all assumes the vast majority will come from renewables. I have yet to see a large diesel SUV managing 172 to the gallon. But you never know. My car  |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 29, 2023 15:44:56 GMT
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