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Post by patman post on Mar 17, 2023 20:46:18 GMT
By that token, petroleum spirit and diesel fuelled vehicles also use oxygen, whether naturally aspirated or turbo… Yes but hydrogen is just hydrogen. A single element. So is oxygen. What is it you’re arguing with or about… |
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Post by patman post on Mar 17, 2023 20:52:17 GMT
Thats is a hybrid not a full EV....Duh But it’s not a fossil fuel hybrid or needing to directly charge from the electricity network. Think again. What is it you’re promoting or arguing against… |
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 17, 2023 21:17:11 GMT
Yes but hydrogen is just hydrogen. A single element. So is oxygen. What is it you’re arguing with or about… Just that hydrogen is just hydrogen. One of the posters here commented on that. He is right. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2023 21:35:56 GMT
Thats is a hybrid not a full EV....Duh But it’s not a fossil fuel hybrid or needing to directly charge from the electricity network. Think again. What is it you’re promoting or arguing against… It is a hybrid,,,,Maybe you could explan how you could cap test oxygen? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 17, 2023 21:58:35 GMT
Yes but hydrogen is just hydrogen. A single element. So is oxygen. What is it you’re arguing with or about… He just likes being pedantic, he thinks it makes him look clever. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 17, 2023 22:17:25 GMT
So is oxygen. What is it you’re arguing with or about… He just likes being pedantic, he thinks it makes him look clever. Oh dear yet more cost to those who have EV's...Many councils have banned cables laid a cross the pavement including Bristol and the majority of councils state they are a trip hazard....Kerbo Charge have been warned that a gully cut in the pavement would still be considered a trip hazard the council would charge£1K to cut therse gullys but the onus would be on both the customer and Kerbo Charge and would be liable for any accidents caused......LV and other insurance companies are now increasing the insurance on EV's because of the chance a lemon driver could be prosecuted for causing a hazard....And that is for those plebs who are mad enough to purchase these lemons who have a parking outside of their own house... |
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Post by besoeker3 on Mar 17, 2023 22:18:15 GMT
So is oxygen. What is it you’re arguing with or about… He just likes being pedantic, he thinks it makes him look clever. Just accurate. Why do you have a problem with that? |
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Post by patman post on Mar 18, 2023 12:44:22 GMT
In a fuel cell powered EV, the hydrogen comes from one or more tanks built into vehicle and the oxygen comes from the ambient air.
This is also true of Internal combustion engined cars that carry their fuel in tanks and draw their oxygen from the ambient air.
I don’t see how it’s accurate to refer to either as hybrid in the way the description is currently applied to vehicles…
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 13:21:46 GMT
BEV Vs EV
The jargon can be confusing because people can often really mean BEV when they use the term EV - because the appropriateness of BEV is what is being discussed rather than hydrogen fuel cells
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Post by patman post on Mar 18, 2023 14:28:46 GMT
BEV Vs EV The jargon can be confusing because people can often really mean BEV when they use the term EV - because the appropriateness of BEV is what is being discussed rather than hydrogen fuel cells If you believe there is confusion, perhaps you should have explained the widely used current acronyms — eg, BEV, FCEV, and PHEV (and probably ICE, as it's been the most widely used motive source for over a century).
No doubt there'll be more by the time vehicles carrying their own tanks of carbon-based fossil fuel become to be regarded as old curiosities.
Personally, I don't see discussion of FCEVs as any less relevant than discussion BEVs, because both sources of electrical energy for them are currently being developed and improved...
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 15:37:08 GMT
BEV Vs EV The jargon can be confusing because people can often really mean BEV when they use the term EV - because the appropriateness of BEV is what is being discussed rather than hydrogen fuel cells If you believe there is confusion, perhaps you should have explained the widely used current acronyms — eg, BEV, FCEV, and PHEV (and probably ICE, as it's been the most widely used motive source for over a century). I didn't think there was any need - i just wanted to draw attention to the distinction. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 18, 2023 16:06:35 GMT
In a fuel cell powered EV, the hydrogen comes from one or more tanks built into vehicle and the oxygen comes from the ambient air. This is also true of Internal combustion engined cars that carry their fuel in tanks and draw their oxygen from the ambient air. I don’t see how it’s accurate to refer to either as hybrid in the way the description is currently applied to vehicles… Agreed. |
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Post by patman post on Mar 18, 2023 19:04:03 GMT
If you believe there is confusion, perhaps you should have explained the widely used current acronyms — eg, BEV, FCEV, and PHEV (and probably ICE, as it's been the most widely used motive source for over a century). I didn't think there was any need - i just wanted to draw attention to the distinction. And we’re probably glad you felt moved to do so. It’s a pity you didn’t actually sort out confusion surrounding the subject — ie, EVs can be BEVs, FCEVs and PHEVs… |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 19:55:49 GMT
I didn't think there was any need - i just wanted to draw attention to the distinction. And we’re probably glad you felt moved to do so. It’s a pity you didn’t actually sort out confusion surrounding the subject — ie, EVs can be BEVs, FCEVs and PHEVs… Given people have access to google, i thought a list of acronyms would be overly tedious |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 18, 2023 21:39:28 GMT
And we’re probably glad you felt moved to do so. It’s a pity you didn’t actually sort out confusion surrounding the subject — ie, EVs can be BEVs, FCEVs and PHEVs… Given people have access to google, i thought a list of acronyms would be overly tedious I didn't google it, I'm upgrading my diesel Volvo by replacing the eccessories to last me another 20 years when I'll be 106, then I'll be able to drive to "green" rallies to show them you can live to a ripe old age; I may meet Zany there. :@ |
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