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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 18, 2023 22:06:35 GMT
I just dumped the 12 reg Nissan Leaf for a 65 Reg Dacia Duster with the full works 4wD mud plugging package. I look forward to having a warm, demisted car that can do 400 miles on the tank
Again
Like i had for decades.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 18, 2023 22:38:32 GMT
I just dumped the 12 reg Nissan Leaf for a 65 Reg Dacia Duster with the full works 4wD mud plugging package. I look forward to having a warm, demisted car that can do 400 miles on the tank Again Like i had for decades. I keep spending money upgrading the mechanics on a 2008 Volvo V50. It doesn't bother me since the threat of not manufacturing petrol and diesel vehicles is driving many people to buy reliable cars that will last for 20 years or more. One of my spares suppliers is a Volvo breaker who is busier than he's been for some time. It must be two years since he told me to buy any Volvo runner at op to £1,000. Well I'd only recently bought the V50 for £900, less £200 for my V40 which needed a very costly repair. 15 year old Volvos in good condition like mine are selling for up to £3,000 and have been steadily rising for twe or three years with no end in sight. I'm happy and so are you; some are miserable. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2023 22:43:57 GMT
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 19, 2023 8:00:55 GMT
Electric cars are better than ICE ones, just as gas cars were better than horses. Electric cars are quicker, more reliable, quieter, less local pollution, less global pollution, cheaper to run. Oh dear. Where to start. As others have said, it used to be the case that petrol could only be bought at chemists, a few gallons at a time, ensuring the edwardian motorist could only use their car to drive as far as the Nissan Leaf could go, or the long range MG owner could manage on a cold day. They simply do not work as a means of independent private travel as petrol and diesel do. My S Max had a tank that cost £100 to fill in the days of the £1 a litre gallon and would cost £250 to fill now but two tanks would get it from wales to the Adriatic coast if i kept the speed down to the speed i would use to admire the views. Admittedly when driven at 135 by the paramedic who lives across the road to get a badly injured friend of ours to A&E before he lost the use of his fingers after an accident at a fairground it only gave us 6mpg but how would your car manage ? They are, in short, the perfect vehicle to impose a 20 minute neighbourhood while giving the illusion of freedom. The advertising crews that make those ads of EVs driven by carefree owners on remote roads will be the PPI of the 2030’s and i hope to live to see it ’Electric Cars Are Quicker’ you say. Well i don’t know of any other than the Porsche driven by the very nice chap who showed me how to work the charger the first time i needed to use it that could actually outrun my S-Max and i wonder how many could outrun the 122 mph my 1981 Rally Prepared Group M Homologated Toyota Corolla DX did while giving me 32mpg all the way (God, weren’t Weber FUCKING ACE at their job with their twin chamber carburettors). Sarah fell over and smashed her canine tooth straight through her bottom lip. Blood everywhere and screams you heard for miles. Newport A&E told me the plastic surgeons at Chepstow burns unit would do a MUCH better job of the required stitching than they ever could but they had no ambulance. I waved my WRC Rally licence and asked if there was a plod outrider handy. There wasnt. I didnt wait. Electric cars DO accelerate away from a standing start faster than most petrols because they have no gears. But that doesn’t mean they are quicker. It means they have a lower 0-whatever time. If you meant that, say that. Your choice of words makes you look imprecise and foolish as your assertion is easily shown to be false. ‘Electric Cars Are More Reliable’ - well in a sense they have less to go wrong but while my 1988 Skoda Estelle left me standing at the roadside three times before i scrapped it, no other has apart from the Leaf whose 12V battery gave out leaving me in need of Green Flag to trailer me home. ‘Electric Cars Cause Less GLOBAL Pollution’. Bullshit. Just google where the battery materials are mined. And no one has yet actually solved black mass recycling. When the assholes round here proposed a barrage like Cardiff’s the objection thar this would create a stinking cesspit thanks to the biological activity in the riverbank mud and the storm drain release of untreated sewage the away with the fairies dreamers said those problems would be fixed ‘because they would have to be’ without actually having any viable proposals or technology or engineering to DO it. Neither do the away with the fairies advocates of EV only vehicles have realistic engineering solutions for black mass handling. Finally ‘Cheaper To Run’ : How ? The vastly added mass if the batteries puts them in a higher insurance group because of the damage they will do on impact. Their quieter running makes them harder to hear so pedestrian impact is more likely which gives weight to the 20mph assholes. The cost of electricity is not going to come down (too many eco twats have the ear of government to let the glorious planet saving measure that is the current crisis ever end) and as a result the 4p a mile that was possible when i first had the leaf is now 13p a mile same as my diesel Suzuki PLUS laws brought in a few months ago require EV chargers to log each kilowatt used ready for the user to be road taxed just as petrol and diesel are, and Jeremy the man in no 11 has promised you will pay road tax next year like everyone else. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2023 8:40:56 GMT
I just dumped the 12 reg Nissan Leaf for a 65 Reg Dacia Duster with the full works 4wD mud plugging package. I look forward to having a warm, demisted car that can do 400 miles on the tank Again Like i had for decades. I couldn't be more pleased with my new Nissan toy mate. It ticks all the boxes for me plus it pisses off the ECO prats.......Whats not to like? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 9:19:43 GMT
No I'm not. Electric cars are better than ICE ones, just as gas cars were better than horses. Yes there is. ICE cars are being banned because of global warming, not electric cars. Electric cars are quicker, more reliable, quieter, less local pollution, less global pollution, cheaper to run. What catastrophic downsides. There are none. The range is fine now They said the same sort of thing about the horseless carriage. Where will you get fuel, you have to go and get it, how will you when your carriage has no fuel. Blah blah. Each time an issue is solved you jump to the next. When they first came out people said a hundred miles was useless and cited people driving to London from Birmingham. Now they apparently know loads of people who regularly drive from London to Edinburgh without a break. You just can't let go, but like the horse rider you will become history. Sure there's still issues, but they are not catastrophic. The grid will catch up, so will charging points, range is already solved. These are teething problems, the Earthquake in China is catastrophic. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 9:20:27 GMT
I just dumped the 12 reg Nissan Leaf for a 65 Reg Dacia Duster with the full works 4wD mud plugging package. I look forward to having a warm, demisted car that can do 400 miles on the tank Again Like i had for decades. Well done you. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 9:47:23 GMT
Electric cars are better than ICE ones, just as gas cars were better than horses. Electric cars are quicker, more reliable, quieter, less local pollution, less global pollution, cheaper to run. Ooh look another person who regularly travels from Wales to the Adriatic coast. Sigh. In the meantime most people average 11 miles a day. Jeez this is all you have left. I love the way the journey length has grown alongside the range of the EV. I'm amazed you can do 200 miles in 20 minutes. Seriously, you are so mistaken. Even the MGzs does 0-60 in 8 seconds. The Tesla Model S plaid 0-60 2.3 seconds. Do tell me the acceleration of your 25 year old Toyota corolla Acceleration is the most important factor by far on the road today. The speed limit is 70mph, but getting past a tractor needs acceleration not top end. They are faster. Your nit picking my words shows the weakness of your argument. New ICE cars are incredibly reliable, so I think the point is pretty mute, but people have claimed EV's are unreliable so I had to challenge it. The mines cause LOCAL pollution, not Global pollution. That would be easy to fix compared to Co2 globally and noxious gasses in every town and city. Even if you didn't care about that, the fact is ICE cars cause more pollution in their life times than do electric ones by a factor of 10 or more. But they last longer than the luddites ever guessed and the new uses are out there are largely unused cause the batteries just aren't deteriorating as was prophesised by the nay sayers. Nope the insurance is the same. My son has just upgraded to an MG ez and his insurance went down. Wrong again. You having a laugh. Our history is littered with oil crises and our dependence on unstable dictatorships for our energy. The current fuel crisis 200% increase in gas and oil prices is not due to wind farms (It didn't happen when wind farms arrived not at all) NO its another dictator using the black gold (And gas) to try and strangle democracy. This is the biggest lie of the lot, and I find it sad because I KNOW you must know this and still you use it because your argument is so weak now. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 19, 2023 10:38:35 GMT
Yes there is. ICE cars are being banned because of global warming, not electric cars. If electric cars are superior (as you claim), there would be no need to ban them to stop their use because virtually nobody would want them. The ban is needed to stop ICE use because electric cars are very inferior. The conversation has become 'talking down to a six year old' daft because you are being obtuse It would be easy enough for you to say something like this - "Electric cars have serious functional downsides when compared to ice, but I feel these downsides should be forced on everyone because of threat of global warming" The only reason you argue the indefensible position that electric cars are superior is because you rankle at the implicit accusation that you are forcing a lower standard of living on people. However, this is the truth. They said the same sort of thing about the horseless carriage. Where will you get fuel, you have to go and get it, how will you when your carriage has no fuel. Sure. In its infancy motor car technology was less convenient than horses. Notice that motor car technology became popular because, when and if it became better than horses There really should be a name for the upside down reasoning you appear to be using Blah blah. Each time an issue is solved you jump to the next. When they first came out people said a hundred miles was useless and cited people driving to London from Birmingham. Now they apparently know loads of people who regularly drive from London to Edinburgh without a break. For a start a 100 mile range is pretty 'useless' , in that, even if charging an electric car were as simple and convenient as refuelling a petrol car, 100 mile range would be a very serious downgrade on an ice car But the problem is more complex than that - Even if the electric car has a range of 400 miles, the time taken to charge the car still makes it a serious downgrade to an ice car (in fact, it would still arguably be a downgrade if the range were 2000 miles) But the problem is more complex than that - Even if an electric car has a range of 400 miles and the charging times can be reduced to about a minute or so, so that refuelling time and range is comparable to an ice car, the grid is not going to be able to support people refuelling and using electric cars in the way the presently use ice cars. What you have there is an intractable problem. Even if the battery technology improves, the problem still will not be solved. Btw there are very good reasons to believe the battery technology is not at all likely to improve dramatically Beefing up the grid is a long term project - ie fifty years or more - and there is no significant sign of that project even being started. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 19, 2023 13:12:16 GMT
Yes there is. ICE cars are being banned because of global warming, not electric cars. What catastrophic downsides. There are none. The range is fine now They said the same sort of thing about the horseless carriage. Where will you get fuel, you have to go and get it, how will you when your carriage has no fuel. Blah blah. Each time an issue is solved you jump to the next. When they first came out people said a hundred miles was useless and cited people driving to London from Birmingham. Now they apparently know loads of people who regularly drive from London to Edinburgh without a break. You just can't let go, but like the horse rider you will become history. Sure there's still issues, but they are not catastrophic. The grid will catch up, so will charging points, range is already solved. These are teething problems, the Earthquake in China is catastrophic. I can't wait to see a car with a sewing machine for an engine run a 3 second quarter or enter any Indy races. ICE cars will be still here when EV's are nothing more than a wet dream. |
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 19, 2023 13:45:24 GMT
FWIW I travelled extensively on business. Sometimes over 400 miles in a day on a single tank. There are plenty of others who did similar trips including my family. An EV just wouldn't hack it. Proven reserves will run in around 50 years. I think maybe, just maybe, I will have shuffled off my mortal coils by then.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 15:19:25 GMT
Yes there is. ICE cars are being banned because of global warming, not electric cars. Cars were superior to horses, but it took decades for the car to completely replace the horse. Problem is we don't have decades to spare while you luddites die out or accept the truth. So governments are accelerating the process by setting a time limit on the sale of petrol vehicles. You are right about talking to a six year old. That seems to match the amount of thought you've put into this. It would and I would, you may not have noticed but I am one of a very few people on here who doesn't mind changing his opinion if needed and doesn't lie. I do not think the 'downsides of EV's are serious or functional and further I very much doubt you have any experience of them beyond clickbait on You Tube. I doubt you are aware of the new EU standard on measuring range on them, nor have you read any reviews by Autocar, Whatcar, Autotrader etc. Clearly not, for all the reasons I have given, which you ignore, fail to address, don't check. All you do is keep repeating your inaccuracies while winding yourself up about my intransigence. They said the same sort of thing about the horseless carriage. Where will you get fuel, you have to go and get it, how will you when your carriage has no fuel. Sure. In its infancy motor car technology was less convenient than horses. Notice that motor car technology became popular because, when and if it became better than horses There really should be a name for the upside down reasoning you appear to be using Blah blah. Each time an issue is solved you jump to the next. When they first came out people said a hundred miles was useless and cited people driving to London from Birmingham. Now they apparently know loads of people who regularly drive from London to Edinburgh without a break. For a start a 100 mile range is pretty 'useless' , in that, even if charging an electric car were as simple and convenient as refuelling a petrol car, 100 mile range would be a very serious downgrade on an ice car But the problem is more complex than that - Even if the electric car has a range of 400 miles, the time taken to charge the car still makes it a serious downgrade to an ice car (in fact, it would still arguably be a downgrade if the range were 2000 miles) But the problem is more complex than that - Even if an electric car has a range of 400 miles and the charging times can be reduced to about a minute or so, so that refuelling time and range is comparable to an ice car, the grid is not going to be able to support people refuelling and using electric cars in the way the presently use ice cars. What you have there is an intractable problem. Even if the battery technology improves, the problem still will not be solved. Btw there are very good reasons to believe the battery technology is not at all likely to improve dramatically Beefing up the grid is a long term project - ie fifty years or more - and there is no significant sign of that project even being started. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 15:27:20 GMT
FWIW I travelled extensively on business. Sometimes over 400 miles in a day on a single tank. There are plenty of others who did similar trips including my family. An EV just wouldn't hack it. Proven reserves will run in around 50 years. I think maybe, just maybe, I will have shuffled off my mortal coils by then. Clearly for the few people who drive 400 miles a day the EV's are a pain involving 40 minutes of charging at a charge point that may or may not be available. Maybe exceptional licences could be given where a job requires regular 400 mile journeys. My preferred solution would be to allow hybrid cars of some sort where journeys of up to 100 miles could be all electric and longer ones mixed. Incidentally a 400 mile journey takes about 8 hours and not recommended without a break on a regular basis. Even a trip I do from Cambridge to Taunton is only 240 miles and that takes 4.5 hours without a break. Still I acknowledge your point in those extreme conditions. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 15:30:33 GMT
I can't wait to see a car with a sewing machine for an engine run a 3 second quarter or enter any Indy races. ICE cars will be still here when EV's are nothing more than a wet dream. As can't see them going to the moon either. So I guess that's them scrapped  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 19, 2023 15:33:30 GMT
Cars were superior to horses, but it took decades for the car to completely replace the horse. Problem is we don't have decades to spare while you luddites die out or accept the truth. So governments are accelerating the process by setting a time limit on the sale of petrol vehicles. You are right about talking to a six year old. That seems to match the amount of thought you've put into this. It would and I would, you may not have noticed but I am one of a very few people on here who doesn't mind changing his opinion if needed and doesn't lie. I do not think the 'downsides of EV's are serious or functional and further I very much doubt you have any experience of them beyond clickbait on You Tube. I doubt you are aware of the new EU standard on measuring range on them, nor have you read any reviews by Autocar, Whatcar, Autotrader etc. Clearly not, for all the reasons I have given, which you ignore, fail to address, don't check. All you do is keep repeating your inaccuracies while winding yourself up about my intransigence. Sure. In its infancy motor car technology was less convenient than horses. Notice that motor car technology became popular because, when and if it became better than horses There really should be a name for the upside down reasoning you appear to be using For a start a 100 mile range is pretty 'useless' , in that, even if charging an electric car were as simple and convenient as refuelling a petrol car, 100 mile range would be a very serious downgrade on an ice car But the problem is more complex than that - Even if the electric car has a range of 400 miles, the time taken to charge the car still makes it a serious downgrade to an ice car (in fact, it would still arguably be a downgrade if the range were 2000 miles) But the problem is more complex than that - Even if an electric car has a range of 400 miles and the charging times can be reduced to about a minute or so, so that refuelling time and range is comparable to an ice car, the grid is not going to be able to support people refuelling and using electric cars in the way the presently use ice cars. What you have there is an intractable problem. Even if the battery technology improves, the problem still will not be solved. Btw there are very good reasons to believe the battery technology is not at all likely to improve dramatically Beefing up the grid is a long term project - ie fifty years or more - and there is no significant sign of that project even being started. Whoever posted this, Can you sort out your quoting etc to make is answerable, at the moment it looks like my post answering my own opinions |
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