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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 10:20:27 GMT
Plug in hybrids have been given a stay of execution and will continue to be sold until 2035. Provided they are capable of covering a "significant distance" in zero-emission mode. (Yet to be defined)
IMO. This is good news and might hail a new breed of phev with larger battery and a smaller petrol engine as a back up.
Would people accept a car that is high performance (0-60 in 5-7 seconds) most of the time. But low performance (0-60 in 12-15 seconds) where you run on fuel with only little backup from the battery on long journeys?
I hope to get some sensible answers even from the deniers and petrol heads, because we are heading to the ICE ban whether you believe or not.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2023 11:45:26 GMT
The EU made the costs of production too high - hence car manufacturers (and other parts of the manufacturing economy) are moving business out.
How did the EU do that. Be more specific. If they are all so successful why are they all currently retrenching? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 14:27:37 GMT
How come the EU is full of successful car manufacturers
How did the EU do that. Be more specific. If they are all so successful why are they all currently retrenching? Because of Covid followed by an energy crises and a microchip shortage. Why do you always answer a question with a question, do you not have any answers. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 18, 2023 14:47:30 GMT
Would people accept a car that is high performance (0-60 in 5-7 seconds) most of the time. But low performance (0-60 in 12-15 seconds) where you run on fuel with only little backup from the battery on long journeys? I hope to get some sensible answers even from the deniers and petrol heads, because we are heading to the ICE ban whether you believe or not. If you are just going to have your way regardless of any arguments, why are you even bothering to cast about for opinions? Why not just go the whole hog and declare martial law if anyone disagrees with you? The trouble with plug in anything is that many people simply can not plug a vehicle in |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 18, 2023 15:18:33 GMT
Toyota are upscaling their Mirai as HFC cars are becoming more popular, still thinking they need a lot more stations yet this is a lot more than two years ago.
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 16:06:46 GMT
Toyota are upscaling their Mirai as HFC cars are becoming more popular, still thinking they need a lot more stations yet this is a lot more than two years ago. I definitely think hydrogen will have a place in the future. Though whether it can maintain a significant position will depend on the cost of its fuel. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 16:15:36 GMT
I wonder if when petrol vehicles first became popular there was a shortage of petrol stations.
Filling up a car with petrol is not a strenuous task. In fact, it’s one we take for granted. But it hasn’t always been this way. For the first 25 years of British motoring, petrol pumps did not exist. Instead, people were required to buy fuel in two-gallon cans from their nearest petrol station, garage, hardware shop or hotel. So how did petrol stations evolve and are any of the first filling stations still around in Britain?
Golly who'd have thought it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 16:38:02 GMT
I wonder when it will be possible to fully charge a car in 10 minutes, like at a petrol station?
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Post by Orac on Feb 18, 2023 16:47:52 GMT
I wonder if when petrol vehicles first became popular there was a shortage of petrol stations. Filling up a car with petrol is not a strenuous task. In fact, it’s one we take for granted. But it hasn’t always been this way. F or the first 25 years of British motoring, petrol pumps did not exist. Instead, people were required to buy fuel in two-gallon cans from their nearest petrol station, garage, hardware shop or hotel. So how did petrol stations evolve and are any of the first filling stations still around in Britain? Golly who'd have thought it. Zany, when this was the case, the only alternative to engaging in this effort was a horse and cart or a bicycle (or arguably a hot air balloon). There was a reason to do it based in reality. As i have said many times before - offering a better alternative is one thing and closing down a good alternative, is another. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 17:57:56 GMT
I wonder when it will be possible to fully charge a car in 10 minutes, like at a petrol station? Sooner than we used to think I believe. But truly I believe in 20 years we wont think of filling up that way. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 17:59:19 GMT
I wonder if when petrol vehicles first became popular there was a shortage of petrol stations. Filling up a car with petrol is not a strenuous task. In fact, it’s one we take for granted. But it hasn’t always been this way. F or the first 25 years of British motoring, petrol pumps did not exist. Instead, people were required to buy fuel in two-gallon cans from their nearest petrol station, garage, hardware shop or hotel. So how did petrol stations evolve and are any of the first filling stations still around in Britain? Golly who'd have thought it. Zany, when this was the case, the only alternative to engaging in this effort was a horse and cart or a bicycle (or arguably a hot air balloon). There was a reason to do it based in reality. As i have said many times before - offering a better alternative is one thing and closing down a good alternative, is another. If only you could go back and see the protests against petrol cars. In 1930, Alexander Winton, by then one of the legends of the auto industry, wrote this article for the Post about the wild early days when even promoting the idea of a self-propelling machine would make you the object of ridicule. www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2017/01/get-horse-americas-skepticism-toward-first-automobiles/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 18, 2023 18:34:00 GMT
If they are all so successful why are they all currently retrenching? Because of Covid followed by an energy crises and a microchip shortage. Why do you always answer a question with a question, do you not have any answers. Well you go around making these blanket statements unsupported by any evidence - in fact what evidence there does exist shows you to be totally wrong. FWIW car production in Germany and the rest of europe has been falling since 2016 - before covid, energy crisis and a microchip shortage. Wonder what happened in 2016?..  |
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Post by Orac on Feb 18, 2023 18:35:11 GMT
But that is nothing like analogous - what you are doing is like banning horses and suggesting we all ride dogs and cats instead
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Post by zanygame on Feb 18, 2023 19:28:31 GMT
But that is nothing like analogous - what you are doing is like banning horses and suggesting we all ride dogs and cats instead No I'm not. Electric cars are better than ICE ones, just as gas cars were better than horses. Same reaction to change on both occasions. Electric cars are quicker, more reliable, quieter, less local pollution, less global pollution, cheaper to run. All you have left is the same as the horsemen. Where can you fill it up, its to difficult, the infrastructure is not in place, there's not enough fuel. Its like a mirror of those original luddites. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 18, 2023 19:56:37 GMT
No I'm not. Electric cars are better than ICE ones, just as gas cars were better than horses. If that were really the case, there would be no need to ban the sale of new ice cars to force the adoption of Electric cars. There was no need to ban horses to force the adoption of the motor car. Why? Because the motor car had real benefits over horses. Electric cars are quicker, more reliable, quieter, less local pollution, less global pollution, cheaper to run. This is a bit like saying cats are quieter, smaller, more cuddly and cleaner than horses, but ignoring all the catastrophic downsides that make them less useful as a mode of transport than horses. The whole range, charge times, battery, power grid thing is a killer. It makes the tech considerably less useful as a mode of transport than ICE |
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