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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 11:45:23 GMT
Not sure the relevance of this? Does your tech college teach all other car repairs? According to our Bricky apprentice there are very many being trained up for IC’s but none for EV’s……I am out at the mo on my IPad when I get home I will check on what courses are offered and supply the relevant link. Cheers. I'll look out for it and respond accordingly.  |
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Post by besoeker3 on Feb 12, 2023 11:54:35 GMT
The typical residential home uses about 10 kWh per day. How much will your EV add to that? Mine just a hybrid with a 13.8kwh battery An EV could double the residential energy bill. And then there is the additional problem is that we, UK, is already in an energy deficit. Contemplate on that if you will. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 12, 2023 11:56:11 GMT
In which case any government charge is coercion. So how would you pay for the damage ICE vehicles cause to the environment Sure - but the coercion has different objectives. Typically the objective of taxation is to fund government. The notion that we need a government and it needs funding is pretty uncontroversial However, when this taxation power is used to force an unwilling population to comply, rather than say collect taxes, the government is effectively fining behaviour it doesn't want. This is not a distortion - the tax falls on the behaviour exactly like a fine. Bizarre statement. Obviously I mean in the beginning of the development of current electric vehicles from the point where environmentalists persuaded governments of the need. The government are going to ban the technology permanently and are applying differential taxation now, so I'm completely confused as to what you could mean by 'in the beginning' Means that the government were legislating to stop people buying cars that pollute the planet. The obtuseness continues. The objective of the differential taxation and banning is to force people to use the favoured technology in order 'to save the universe' - ie the two aims are not mutually exclusive |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 12:13:52 GMT
Mine just a hybrid with a 13.8kwh battery An EV could double the residential energy bill. And then there is the additional problem is that we, UK, is already in an energy deficit. Contemplate on that if you will. As regards the increased electricity bills, these are more than offset by the savings in petrol bills. the Battery petrol equivalent is around 50p a litre compared to £1.50 a litre for petrol. As regards the generating capacity, much of this is drawn at night when demand elsewhere is much lower. About 30% of electricity is used by industry which tends to shut down at night. And overall energy usage drops by about 35% at night. But its widely accepted that production needs to grow with the new demand. Looking into the future its far cheaper to supply electricity than to supply petrol. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 12, 2023 14:35:00 GMT
I've been looking at a few Scotty Kilmer Youtubes and now he is talking about EVs.
Says once a lot of people use them the government will tax electricity more.
Says they lose about 2% generating capacity a year and generally will last 10 years.
He says one known drawback is range though is probably a misconception.
Most people (Japanese study) only drive under 40 miles a day and you can achieve this comfortably with a small EV harged overnight.
Says for vacations use a petrol car for the longer journeys.
Of course you can buy a longer range EV yet it will take longer to charge as it has more batteries and will make the car heavier. Also you should have EV tires for these too.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2023 15:10:32 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 15:25:49 GMT
I've been looking at a few Scotty Kilmer Youtubes and now he is talking about EVs. Says once a lot of people use them the government will tax electricity more. Says they lose about 2% generating capacity a year and generally will last 10 years. He says one known drawback is range though is probably a misconception. Most people (Japanese study) only drive under 40 miles a day and you can achieve this comfortably with a small EV harged overnight. Says for vacations use a petrol car for the longer journeys. Of course you can buy a longer range EV yet it will take longer to charge as it has more batteries and will make the car heavier. Also you should have EV tires for these too. I'll have a look. One thing people who don't have them don't realise is how often with the longer range EV's you only charge them for a few hours. That's because if you only travel 40 miles in a day you only charge 40 miles to be full again. An overnight charge of 8 hours on a 7kw standard charger will give you 240 miles. Another thing we have only just found out is long range mode. Most batteries only charge to 80 percent to extend their life, but on newer models you can choose long range mode and this will charge your battery up to 100 percent and give you another 40-50 miles. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 15:28:58 GMT
Its probably a lack of teachers. I read the other day that a third of science teachers don't even have a degree in science. Such is the shortage. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2023 15:34:40 GMT
Its probably a lack of teachers. I read the other day that a third of science teachers don't even have a degree in science. Such is the shortage. But you don't have to be a teacher for a tech college a retired skilled or those who are still working people can pass their knowledge on to those who want to be trained.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 15:40:34 GMT
I've been looking at a few Scotty Kilmer Youtubes and now he is talking about EVs. Says once a lot of people use them the government will tax electricity more. Says they lose about 2% generating capacity a year and generally will last 10 years. He says one known drawback is range though is probably a misconception. Most people (Japanese study) only drive under 40 miles a day and you can achieve this comfortably with a small EV harged overnight. Says for vacations use a petrol car for the longer journeys. Of course you can buy a longer range EV yet it will take longer to charge as it has more batteries and will make the car heavier. Also you should have EV tires for these too. I'll have a look. One thing people who don't have them don't realise is how often with the longer range EV's you only charge them for a few hours. That's because if you only travel 40 miles in a day you only charge 40 miles to be full again. An overnight charge of 8 hours on a 7kw standard charger will give you 240 miles. Another thing we have only just found out is long range mode. Most batteries only charge to 80 percent to extend their life, but on newer models you can choose long range mode and this will charge your battery up to 100 percent and give you another 40-50 miles. Interesting. As a ball park figure about 4 miles per kWh, so how much does that 56kWh charge actually cost? Do you get a cheap rate at night, because a lot of people don't. My night tariff is currently 12.948p/kWh so that charge would be 56 of those = £7.25. About 3p per mile. My current petrol cost is 12p permile. However, if charging in the daytime at 50.544p the cost per charge would be £28.30 equivalent to 11.8p/mile. Who would have predicted that electricity costs would triple in the last 2 years, and who would like to predict what happens in the next 2 years? |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 12, 2023 15:45:00 GMT
An EV could double the residential energy bill. And then there is the additional problem is that we, UK, is already in an energy deficit. Contemplate on that if you will. As regards the increased electricity bills, these are more than offset by the savings in petrol bills. the Battery petrol equivalent is around 50p a litre compared to £1.50 a litre for petrol. As regards the generating capacity, much of this is drawn at night when demand elsewhere is much lower. About 30% of electricity is used by industry which tends to shut down at night. And overall energy usage drops by about 35% at night. But its widely accepted that production needs to grow with the new demand. Looking into the future its far cheaper to supply electricity than to supply petrol. By what means will this far cheaper be achieved and over what time scale and are you aware of when off-peak electricity is available? |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 12, 2023 15:47:14 GMT
I'll have a look. One thing people who don't have them don't realise is how often with the longer range EV's you only charge them for a few hours. That's because if you only travel 40 miles in a day you only charge 40 miles to be full again. An overnight charge of 8 hours on a 7kw standard charger will give you 240 miles. Another thing we have only just found out is long range mode. Most batteries only charge to 80 percent to extend their life, but on newer models you can choose long range mode and this will charge your battery up to 100 percent and give you another 40-50 miles. Kilmer is in the US so some differences yet like with here, says those that cannot charge (flats perhaps) are at a disadvantage and have to pay more. Two things i was not previously aware of are that the batteries run the length of the car underneath the seating area, the other was that in hybrids it is generally braking that recharges the hybrid battery. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 16:41:47 GMT
Its probably a lack of teachers. I read the other day that a third of science teachers don't even have a degree in science. Such is the shortage. But you don't have to be a teacher for a tech college a retired skilled or those who are still working people can pass their knowledge on to those who want to be trained.. They're still teachers when they get there and no one wants the job anymore. The pays poor, there's no respect from pupils or parents. I have two cousins both went into teaching both left saying they didn't get to teach anything it was just crowd control. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 16:49:09 GMT
I'll have a look. One thing people who don't have them don't realise is how often with the longer range EV's you only charge them for a few hours. That's because if you only travel 40 miles in a day you only charge 40 miles to be full again. An overnight charge of 8 hours on a 7kw standard charger will give you 240 miles. Another thing we have only just found out is long range mode. Most batteries only charge to 80 percent to extend their life, but on newer models you can choose long range mode and this will charge your battery up to 100 percent and give you another 40-50 miles. Interesting. As a ball park figure about 4 miles per kWh, so how much does that 56kWh charge actually cost? Do you get a cheap rate at night, because a lot of people don't. My night tariff is currently 12.948p/kWh so that charge would be 56 of those = £7.25. About 3p per mile. My current petrol cost is 12p permile. However, if charging in the daytime at 50.544p the cost per charge would be £28.30 equivalent to 11.8p/mile. Who would have predicted that electricity costs would triple in the last 2 years, and who would like to predict what happens in the next 2 years? Several companies are now actively encouraging night time usage, so yes its a lot cheaper. But to be fair I think the difference is less since the war in Ukraine. I assume electricity prices will start to fall again in August if the pundits are correct. Many countries have secured gas and oil from other sources now and are building up reserves for next winter. I don't think the world will go back to Russian gas in our life times even if the war ends. I think day time charging is about 34p at the moment? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 16:55:15 GMT
I'll have a look. One thing people who don't have them don't realise is how often with the longer range EV's you only charge them for a few hours. That's because if you only travel 40 miles in a day you only charge 40 miles to be full again. An overnight charge of 8 hours on a 7kw standard charger will give you 240 miles. Another thing we have only just found out is long range mode. Most batteries only charge to 80 percent to extend their life, but on newer models you can choose long range mode and this will charge your battery up to 100 percent and give you another 40-50 miles. Indeed the lag behind of charging points and the random distribution needs sorting out. Pure hybrids don't do much better than petrol unless you drive everywhere like your granny. but plugin hybrids are pretty good. On short journeys (in my case up to about 35 miles) you use no petrol at all. On longer ones I get around 54-56 to the gallon in a big car. My overall average is 168mpg You are right about braking. My car often asks me to 'coast' in runs up to junctions. |
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