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Post by jonksy on Feb 10, 2023 21:47:35 GMT
So do you think a man like Blair who would have you back in the EU in a flash and to hell with democracy makes someone else a sociopath for pointing out what a snake he is? Nope |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 22:54:47 GMT
Strange, that a Prime Minister who took over the running of the NHS in 1997 ( Tony Blair ) and repaired it, made it much, much better, reduced waiting lists, employed thousands of extra doctors and nurses, improved waiting times, improved everything in the NHS, should be seen as the one person as having the most negative impact.
Whereas between 1979 and 1983 under Margaret Thatcher, the economic output of the United Kingdom fell by 30%
The last time the UK balance of payments was in surplus in manufactured goods was when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, a situation she inherited, but her government put our balance of payments into deficit, and we have not seen a surplus in manufactured goods since ... she literally destroyed British manufacturing and production.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2023 7:36:42 GMT
Strange, that a Prime Minister who took over the running of the NHS in 1997 ( Tony Blair ) and repaired it, made it much, much better, reduced waiting lists, employed thousands of extra doctors and nurses, improved waiting times, improved everything in the NHS, should be seen as the one person as having the most negative impact. Whereas between 1979 and 1983 under Margaret Thatcher, the economic output of the United Kingdom fell by 30% The last time the UK balance of payments was in surplus in manufactured goods was when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, a situation she inherited, but her government put our balance of payments into deficit, and we have not seen a surplus in manufactured goods since ... she literally destroyed British manufacturing and production.Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 11, 2023 9:17:37 GMT
My vote was for another person not on that ‘small fry’ list.
No one living in the UK has stripped all the gold reserves and colonial wealth out of the Bank of England quite like the guy we grant-educated at the LSE …..
GEORGE SOROS
…….. he totally bankrupted the Bank of England with his Hedge Fund power and forced on us incredible cuts and hardship that shut disability centres, libraries, social services etc
…….. he forced Gordon Brown and other finance ministers to support banks … when the banks should have been shut down and Banking nationalised instead … saving £££billions.
…….. he bankrupted the Rouble and many Far Eastern currencies
…….. he bankrolled BLM to create anarchic rioting in the USA to oust Trump from Office … bringing America under Democrat control economically to it’s knees as gas prices soared.
…….. he admitted he engineered the destabilisation of Ukraine 2015 … which started a war there in 2022 … which created severe knock-on effects after the Pandemic … his Sanctions Plan to oust Putin created a World-wide Recession and Hyper-Inflation killing thousands of World/UK businesses.
…. no UK politicians have achieved this much damage to Western and World stability. … they are just stupid puppets bullied by the Soros Posse.
Yet the MSM and Economic Hubs around the World hide him from criticism … and praise him as some sort of Economic Guru. ??
… which shows how Totalitarian and morally bankrupt they are!🙄
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Post by see2 on Feb 11, 2023 10:16:26 GMT
Strange, that a Prime Minister who took over the running of the NHS in 1997 ( Tony Blair ) and repaired it, made it much, much better, reduced waiting lists, employed thousands of extra doctors and nurses, improved waiting times, improved everything in the NHS, should be seen as the one person as having the most negative impact. Whereas between 1979 and 1983 under Margaret Thatcher, the economic output of the United Kingdom fell by 30% The last time the UK balance of payments was in surplus in manufactured goods was when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, a situation she inherited, but her government put our balance of payments into deficit, and we have not seen a surplus in manufactured goods since ... she literally destroyed British manufacturing and production.Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell. Under Thatcher, she sold much of UK engineering to the Japanese car manufacturers, so where did the bulk of the profits go? "Under Blair it fell" because the feet had been kicked from under thousands of businesses by Thatcher, and investors could earn easy money by investing in the Financial Sector. Its a pity you can't see beyond the end of your nose. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 11, 2023 10:56:38 GMT
Strange, that a Prime Minister who took over the running of the NHS in 1997 ( Tony Blair ) and repaired it, made it much, much better, reduced waiting lists, employed thousands of extra doctors and nurses, improved waiting times, improved everything in the NHS, should be seen as the one person as having the most negative impact. Whereas between 1979 and 1983 under Margaret Thatcher, the economic output of the United Kingdom fell by 30%The last time the UK balance of payments was in surplus in manufactured goods was when Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister, a situation she inherited, but her government put our balance of payments into deficit, and we have not seen a surplus in manufactured goods since ... she literally destroyed British manufacturing and production. No it didn't, from tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 11:15:07 GMT
Pacifico ... "Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell."
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Let us look at what Wikipedia states ... "By 1983, manufacturing output had dropped by 30% from 1978"
It goes to further state that ... " The industrial base was so reduced that thereafter the balance of payments in manufactured goods was in deficit"
This is what Chancellor Nigel Lawson told a Parliamentary Select Committee on overseas trade ... "There is no adamantine law that says we have to produce as much in the way of manufactures as we consume. If it does turn out that we are relatively more efficient in world terms at providing services than at producing goods, then our national interest lies in a surplus on services and a deficit on goods."
Like I stated previously, Margaret Thatcher has got the unenviable record of been the very last Prime Minister to see a surplus British balance of payments surplus.
She destroyed British manufacturing, and ended Britains long record of been a great producing and export nation.
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Post by Steve on Feb 11, 2023 11:25:06 GMT
But you said economic output which in a service economy is very much different from manufacturing output.
And even more so from manufacturing employment which she really did nigh on destroy
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 11, 2023 11:39:37 GMT
A sociopath from the other forum, well there were a few lefties, although I have no idea which one you may be referring to. Xrayspecs? Was it Rebirth? Rebirth wasn't an outraged lefty. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2023 11:49:44 GMT
Pacifico ... "Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell." ---------------------------------------------------------- Let us look at what Wikipedia states ... Oh FFS - wikipedia can be written by anyone, it is not to be taken seriously. If you want the correct information try the ONS.  New Labour are the only government since WW2 who have left office with manufacturing output lower than they inherited. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 12:32:42 GMT
Pacifico ... Do some research
The Industrial Production Measure includes Mining, quarying, production of electricity, production of gas, oil, and it even includes the production of drinking water. Industrial Production Measure is different to "Manufacturing Output".
In the last year of Jim Callaghan's government, manufacturing accounted for 24% of the economy, and service industries 60%.
At the end of Margaret Thatchers reign, manufacturing accounted for 17% and service industries 71%
Manufacturing as a proportion of the economy has remained unchanged throughout the period 2010 until today at just 10% of the UK economy, and the service sector now accounts for 80%.
The loss of industrial capacity, the numbers of jobs in manufacturin lost 1979 to 1982 is almost unprecidented, only matched by the Great Depression of the 1930s.
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Post by bancroft on Feb 11, 2023 13:12:36 GMT
Pacifico ... "Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell." ---------------------------------------------------------- Let us look at what Wikipedia states ... "By 1983, manufacturing output had dropped by 30% from 1978" It goes to further state that ... " The industrial base was so reduced that thereafter the balance of payments in manufactured goods was in deficit" This is what Chancellor Nigel Lawson told a Parliamentary Select Committee on overseas trade ... "There is no adamantine law that says we have to produce as much in the way of manufactures as we consume. If it does turn out that we are relatively more efficient in world terms at providing services than at producing goods, then our national interest lies in a surplus on services and a deficit on goods." Like I stated previously, Margaret Thatcher has got the unenviable record of been the very last Prime Minister to see a surplus British balance of payments surplus. She destroyed British manufacturing, and ended Britains long record of been a great producing and export nation. Labour closed more coal mines than Thatcher. R & D and quality control in say British cars was poor so they went under due to competition and poor management. She did invite in Nissan into Sunderland. There may have been EU laws against helping domestic industries as later French, Spanish and Italian models were to be bought out or merged in the medium future and then recently the scandal over emissions from German cars raises questions about who was following rules and who was not. I have criticisms of Thatcher in that she could not balance the books so interest rates were not stable harming business planning. She was good in reducing the power of unions to cripple the economy which had happened under the previous Labour government bringing her to power. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2023 17:38:20 GMT
Pacifico ... Do some research The Industrial Production Measure includes Mining, quarying, production of electricity, production of gas, oil, and it even includes the production of drinking water. Industrial Production Measure is different to "Manufacturing Output". Somehow I cant see quarrying and water production varying that much from year to year - and oil production was falling from 1984 so I cant see that improving the production statistics under Thatcher. The point remains that under Thatcher production output rose - under New Labour it fell |
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Post by see2 on Feb 11, 2023 19:10:42 GMT
Pacifico ... "Absolute nonsense - Under Thatcher manufacturing output increased, whereas under Blair it fell." ---------------------------------------------------------- Let us look at what Wikipedia states ... Oh FFS - wikipedia can be written by anyone, it is not to be taken seriously. If you want the correct information try the ONS. New Labour are the only government since WW2 who have left office with manufacturing output lower than they inherited. Totally ignoring the Japanese takeover and the international meltdown in your deceitful attempt to undermine NL. "in a sign of things to come, Japanese company Nissan opened a factory near Sunderland, in the northeast of England, in 1986. French automaker Peugeot and Japanese giant Toyota also built or took over UK factories. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 11, 2023 22:16:31 GMT
Totally ignoring the Japanese takeover and the international meltdown in your deceitful attempt to undermine NL. "in a sign of things to come, Japanese company Nissan opened a factory near Sunderland, in the northeast of England, in 1986. French automaker Peugeot and Japanese giant Toyota also built or took over UK factories. Please explain how the 'Japanese takeover' was a bad thing. Was it a bad thing that Ford and General Motors expanded into the UK in the 1930's? |
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