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Post by Pacifico on Jan 20, 2023 11:41:11 GMT
So you think the US says jump, and the UK say how high?
The US is not our government, the US is not our people, why would you think they can dictate our politics?
We will not be blackmailed by the US or any other country for that matter, we have our own democracy, if the US want to play hard ball that's up to them, but the US is not the rest of the world, in fact with Biden as the President the US is a laughing stock.
I don't. I'm merely pointing out that it was never a real proposition. The biggest exponant of it was Farage, he basically thought that with Trump he could politically get a deal done, but he was mistaken because 1. The President doesn't have the last say on Trade Deals, Congress does, and 2. you and Bentley are correct that it would not have been to our advantage. Ironically the deals signed with Oz and NZ are not to our own advantage either, by our own admissions, but that's all we could do and we had to do something... I'd be interested to know how Farage thought he could negotiate a trade deal considering he is not in the Government or even in Parliament.. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 12:04:21 GMT
I don't. I'm merely pointing out that it was never a real proposition. The biggest exponant of it was Farage, he basically thought that with Trump he could politically get a deal done, but he was mistaken because 1. The President doesn't have the last say on Trade Deals, Congress does, and 2. you and Bentley are correct that it would not have been to our advantage. Ironically the deals signed with Oz and NZ are not to our own advantage either, by our own admissions, but that's all we could do and we had to do something... I'd be interested to know how Farage thought he could negotiate a trade deal considering he is not in the Government or even in Parliament.. Appointed by the PM in the same way David Frost was. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 20, 2023 12:11:13 GMT
So nearly 7 years on and the Remnants still haven't managed to advance their argument.
I mean, another interminable thread that boils down to: "Leavers are racists who didn't know what they were voting for."
Do even Remnants take themselves seriously anymore?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 20, 2023 12:18:04 GMT
So nearly 7 years on and the Remnants still haven't managed to advance their argument. I mean, another interminable thread that boils down to: "Leavers are racists who didn't know what they were voting for." Do even Remnants take themselves seriously anymore? Sad part is they are still trying to hinder Brexit progress.
They can't let go, it's become personal with some of them.
They are trying to leave the door open to rejoin, while they have that mindset we cannot fully gain the benefits of Brexit ... it just needs a leap of faith.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2023 12:30:29 GMT
So you think the US says jump, and the UK say how high?
The US is not our government, the US is not our people, why would you think they can dictate our politics?
We will not be blackmailed by the US or any other country for that matter, we have our own democracy, if the US want to play hard ball that's up to them, but the US is not the rest of the world, in fact with Biden as the President the US is a laughing stock.
I don't. I'm merely pointing out that it was never a real proposition. The biggest exponant of it was Farage, he basically thought that with Trump he could politically get a deal done, but he was mistaken because 1. The President doesn't have the last say on Trade Deals, Congress does, and 2. you and Bentley are correct that it would not have been to our advantage. Ironically the deals signed with Oz and NZ are not to our own advantage either, by our own admissions, but that's all we could do and we had to do something... Total remaniac bollocks |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 20, 2023 12:34:34 GMT
So nearly 7 years on and the Remnants still haven't managed to advance their argument. I mean, another interminable thread that boils down to: "Leavers are racists who didn't know what they were voting for." Do even Remnants take themselves seriously anymore?Does anyone. They are just like an itch that you can't scratch. Even the remainiacs know they are just spouting purile total bollocks. And these are supposed to be the educated ones LOL. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 20, 2023 12:42:38 GMT
So nearly 7 years on and the Remnants still haven't managed to advance their argument. I mean, another interminable thread that boils down to: "Leavers are racists who didn't know what they were voting for." Do even Remnants take themselves seriously anymore?Does anyone. They are just like an itch that you can't scratch. Even the remainiacs know they are just spouting purile total bollocks. And these are supposed to be the educated ones LOL. Yes what we witnessed with the antics of the remainers in parliament left most of us gob smacked.
Then as a last resort to thwart the government they rushed through the Benn Act, no one realised how quickly a act of parliament could pass so quickly, most acts have to go through months if not years of toing and froing, they let slip how quickly they can pass a act, even against the will of its people.
The Benn Act – or the European Union (Withdrawal) (No. 2) Act 2019 – is an Act of Parliament that provided a statutory obligation for the government to prevent a no deal Brexit on 31 October 2019 by requiring in the Prime Minister to ask for an extension of Article 50.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 12:50:40 GMT
So nearly 7 years on and the Remnants still haven't managed to advance their argument. I mean, another interminable thread that boils down to: "Leavers are racists who didn't know what they were voting for." Do even Remnants take themselves seriously anymore?Some seem to be getting worse....desperation possibly especially now Starmer "says" he'll support Brexit. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 20, 2023 12:57:13 GMT
Again, baseless subjective opinion. As the foremost Leaver in the UK was the right-winger Farage (with a far-right mate in Trump) Perhaps the "opinion" is not entirely without foundation? Trump isn't far-right lol. He spent the first year of COVID talking about freedoms ffs... how the fuck is that authoritarian?  lol. Trump is only interested in being pro-Trump and played people off against each other to gain power (ie a populist). Jumping to call everybody a Nazi in an attempt to win an argument is just lazy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 20, 2023 23:06:31 GMT
Not the old bent banana remainer staple 😁 Just as most people know not to trust politicians, even more people know how much to trust newspapers. The leave argument wasnt racist . I won’t go over it all again but the claim that leavers were racist was a remainer ploy to smear Leavers which blew up their virtue signalling faces and ultimately lost them the referendum imo. Maybe a post Brexit UK give more people vocational training and stop poaching cheap Labour from abroad. Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers Not remotely the case. Two of this country’s biggest racists, Diane Abbott and David Lammy, are diehard Remoaners and Open Border nutters to boot |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 23:16:59 GMT
Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers Not remotely the case. Two of this country’s biggest racists, Diane Abbott and David Lammy, are diehard Remoaners and Open Border nutters to boot Well said JoG. Oracles comments are typically left wing, and childish. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 23:19:22 GMT
Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers. I thought you were more sensible than that. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 6:25:29 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 21, 2023 6:32:25 GMT
"...A top German business lobbyist has said that firms in his country are lining up to invest in Britain after Brexit sparked less disruption than feared."
Oh dear, that'll upset the Remnants.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 7:14:30 GMT
"...A top German business lobbyist has said that firms in his country are lining up to invest in Britain after Brexit sparked less disruption than feared."
Oh dear, that'll upset the Remnants. LOL.....It don't take much mate.... |
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lol.
