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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 9:36:07 GMT
You don't have to be a mind reader, just read his posts. I’ve read his posts . Your opinion is that he is being defensive. I’m not a mind reader so I have proffered a reason where you might be mistaken . I have read and replied to much of his nonsense. There is no mistake on my part. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 20, 2023 9:39:56 GMT
Well so far it looks like your new wheel is going slower than the old one and is badly damaged on the Northern Ireland side. ThevUK will find common ground with the EU on that matter and things will run more smoothly. It’s in the best interest for everyone. You are still sucking on the teat of brexit politicians. There has to be a customs border somewhere.and the UK will have to be treated just like any other third country or the EU will break WTO rules , which it won't do. So how do you think it should be solved? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 9:42:52 GMT
Millions of people wanted to leave . Did they all promise this? People didn't promise. Politicians did. People either believed them and repeated the lies or not. Let's not forget that tens of millions of people didn't believe the lies and as more and more evidence comes to light, millions more now realise they had been fooled and regret their choice. But it is too late. Instead of repeating ad nauseum conversations that after 6 years old, why don't leavers embrace their triumph and discuss the gleaming new opportunities and bright new world they voted for? I think most people in this country are quite used to politicians promises and know exactly how much they are worth. I don’t think that many leavers thought that the UK would be richer after leaving the EU. I think the remain campaign lost the vote through its project fear tactic ( the economy will rank) and the underlying insinuation that Brexit was fuelled by racism. imo immigration was the key issue . The remain campaign simply didn’t address it. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 9:43:29 GMT
I’ve read his posts . Your opinion is that he is being defensive. I’m not a mind reader so I have proffered a reason where you might be mistaken . I have read and replied to much of his nonsense. There is no mistake on my part. I think there could be . |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 20, 2023 9:43:43 GMT
In which case, those who wanted to leave and promised the free trade agreements, got it wrong. To a point yes. I thought that pragmatism would win the day but it seems that the EU and US wanted to punish the UK for daring to leave the fold . It isn't punishment. Why should the UK be given special treatment compared to other countries? The UK has become so used to being exceptional that too many assume that is part of the permanent physical laws of the universe. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 9:46:13 GMT
I have read and replied to much of his nonsense. There is no mistake on my part. I think there could be . But as you have stated, you are not a mind reader. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 9:46:39 GMT
ThevUK will find common ground with the EU on that matter and things will run more smoothly. It’s in the best interest for everyone. You are still sucking on the teat of brexit politicians. There has to be a customs border somewhere.and the UK will have to be treated just like any other third country or the EU will break WTO rules , which it won't do. So how do you think it should be solved? And you are sucking the bitter milk of the ex remainer teat . It will be solved because there is a will for it to be solved . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 20, 2023 9:47:44 GMT
It was you who said this: Just for clarification, can you give an example where "Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon" actually held back progress on Brexit?I gave you link as an example. That, as I said is self-explanatory. You now are asking about timelines, why is that? As it wasn't mentioned in your original question when you asked for an example. I didn't expect an exercise on working my way through opinions, I expected a clear straight forward example which you have failed to provide. How is it a 'opinion' when Sturgeon has clearly stated she wants to break up the UK have a independent Scotland so they can rejoin the EU
How is that a opinion?
It is a informed opinion, meaning Sturgeon does not believe in Brexit, so why would she want it to succeed?
Davy has already confirmed the Lib-dems are pro-Europeans
As for Starmer he's all things to all people.
But your selective fact finding does you no favours, you come across as dilatory.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 9:53:41 GMT
To a point yes. I thought that pragmatism would win the day but it seems that the EU and US wanted to punish the UK for daring to leave the fold . It isn't punishment. Why should the UK be given special treatment compared to other countries? The UK has become so used to being exceptional that too many assume that is part of the permanent physical laws of the universe. The last comment is a classic remainer whine. The UK has not been exceptional since WW2. The UK joined a free trade community and left because enough of the population with voting rights decided it wasn’t in our interests to stay. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 9:54:33 GMT
But as you have stated, you are not a mind reader. Neither are you . I think that you could be wrong . You think you can’t be . |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 9:54:58 GMT
I didn't expect an exercise on working my way through opinions, I expected a clear straight forward example which you have failed to provide. How is it a 'opinion' when Sturgeon has clearly stated she wants to break up the UK have a independent Scotland so they can rejoin the EU
How is that a opinion?
It is a informed opinion, meaning Sturgeon does not believe in Brexit, so why would she want it to succeed?
Davy has already confirmed the Lib-dems are pro-Europeans
As for Starmer he's all things to all people.
But your selective fact finding does you no favours, you come across as dilatory.
1. That is about Scottish independence, other than that she has no power to stop or derail Brexit. 2. As above. 3. Davey has no power to stop Brexit. The UK government is in control. 4. Not interested in your opinion on Starmer. 5. Being "dilatory" is you projecting your problems onto me. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 9:56:35 GMT
But as you have stated, you are not a mind reader. Neither are you . I think that you could be wrong . You think you can’t be . When it comes to Squeezy I KNOW I'm not wrong. Your opinions do not change that reality. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 20, 2023 9:58:54 GMT
People didn't promise. Politicians did. People either believed them and repeated the lies or not. Let's not forget that tens of millions of people didn't believe the lies and as more and more evidence comes to light, millions more now realise they had been fooled and regret their choice. But it is too late. Instead of repeating ad nauseum conversations that after 6 years old, why don't leavers embrace their triumph and discuss the gleaming new opportunities and bright new world they voted for? I think most people in this country are quite used to politicians promises and know exactly how much they are worth. I don’t think that many leavers thought that the UK would be richer after leaving the EU. I think the remain campaign lost the vote through its project fear tactic ( the economy will rank) and the underlying insinuation that Brexit was fuelled by racism. imo immigration was the key issue . The remain campaign simply didn’t address it. If the general public in the UK had much of any idea other than the lies they read in the Murdoch press, they would have quickly realised that what they were told about what the eu does (bent bananas??) and how laws are made and what the commission does was impossible. I do think a significant amount of the leavers argument was racist. Unfortunately we now have fewer employees from overseas who volunteer to come and arechaving to hire from thousands of air miles away through agencies we pay for. And they are still not British. Where are all these new medical schools (not to mention 40 new hospitals) we were promised? Nurses still have to pay for three years of uni plus rising interest rates and still have to pay for parking at work. Where are all those promised changes that would self supply our services?instead they are on strike because they have to go to food banks!! Where are the planned seeds of improvement in the quality of life outside the EU that couldn't be done when still inside THE EU? You tell me because I really don't see them. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 10:00:49 GMT
Neither are you . I think that you could be wrong . You think you can’t be . When it comes to Squeezy I KNOW I'm not wrong. Your opinions do not change that reality. I think you could be wrong . You think you can’t be wrong . I think my position is rational . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 20, 2023 10:03:05 GMT
How is it a 'opinion' when Sturgeon has clearly stated she wants to break up the UK have a independent Scotland so they can rejoin the EU
How is that a opinion?
It is a informed opinion, meaning Sturgeon does not believe in Brexit, so why would she want it to succeed?
Davy has already confirmed the Lib-dems are pro-Europeans
As for Starmer he's all things to all people.
But your selective fact finding does you no favours, you come across as dilatory.
1. That is about Scottish independence, other than that she has no power to stop or derail Brexit. 2. As above. 3. Davey has no power to stop Brexit. The UK government is in control. 4. Not interested in your opinion on Starmer. 5. Being "dilatory" is you projecting your problems onto me. If you think Starmer/Davy/Sturgeon have no power then you are more delusional than I thought.
Of course they have power, they have power collectively to obstruct the government, they are 'leaders' of their political party.
They showed us how much power they had when they tried to block Brexit, they even had Bercow onboard.
Why do yo think Johnson had to call a GE?
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