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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 10:34:18 GMT
Wake up. If there was positive proof of my request, a simple copy and paste of the fact was all that was needed. An insinuation that the proof was obvious is nothing more than an insinuation. I've given you a link for crying out loud. If you're too lazy to read the link and comprehend what it says, you're in the wrong place. You asked for an example. You got it. No amount of obfuscation and word wriggling will change that. I accept that you cannot simply provide factual proof. So you are in the wrong. Bye. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 10:36:51 GMT
Perhaaps you and those in your discussion groups need to contact the EU and the US, perhaps the cause lies there. In which case, those who wanted to leave and promised the free trade agreements, got it wrong. Hahaha you old scoundrel, the reason things haven't worked out is due to Remnant MPs being difficult, hopeless PMs May and Johnson and shite EU politicians. Had our politicians had any sense they'd have pulled out almost immediately or given the negotiating job to Farage without the interference imposed by those two useless PMs. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 20, 2023 10:40:19 GMT
Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers. 6 years on and I am still waiting for anyone to even start to discuss vocational training, even as investing in apprenticeships. This isn't difficult. It is obvious. BUT THE BREXIT GOVERNMENT JUST DIDNT CARE. The only thing that STILL seems to matter is that leavers won by 4%. The whole thing is played over and over in a science fiction type never ending loop. It is now time to make the reasons leavers promised, work. And that is what Starmer is talking about. Not really. There are quite a few racists within the East Europeans that migrated to the UK. The government has been chasing its tail since COVID . It’s undeniably a bit of a shit show atm. Yes the leavers won by a small majority l Starmer will lead a government of identity politics Imo. He has the potential to make Tories look like statesmen. We are talking about British racists, not Eastern European racists who we say we don't approve of. There are still groups of organised white supremacists in the UK. They also have links with nationalist movements. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_far-right_groups_(1945%E2%80%93present)Read section under 2010's. www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-ban-white-supremacist-group-in-the-ukIt's like whackamole. The government bans one and it reforms as something else. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 20, 2023 10:42:24 GMT
But that wasn’t the case with Callaghan in 76 and is sure as hell isn’t the case in wales after that clusterfuck disaster that cost labour their majority in 2003 The majority Labour Party has for the last eight or nine years been wagged by the Marxist ultranationalist plaid. Look at every decision they’ve taken. Tourism. Business. Transport. All fucked by the cottageburners. Fact is a starmer labour minority government faced with Liberal Democrat demands to rejoin or dissolve will rejoin at any price rather than kiss the government benches goodbye With any luck the blood tests I’m now waiting for that hope to explain my one and a half stone weight loss will tell me I won’t be here to tell you I told you so. Because if that does come about I pity my grand daughters generation My point is that the UK government is in control of Brexit, and Starmer has openly declared almost two years ago, that he fully accepts Brexit. So no amount of blame pushing and finger pointing at opposition to Brexit changes the fact that the UK government is in control of Brexit. I genuinely wish you the best of luck with your blood tests, and that you have many happy years ahead of you. Ok. I agree with you to a point that the government today are ‘in charge’ of Brexit … except of course in Wales the shit-spewing pro nationalist and pro nationalist violence by his own mouth twat Drakeford DELIBERATELY did fuck all to prepare for it despite wales voting to leave and then when Holyhead melted down in a clusterfuck of paperwork got on his podium and stated and I quote ‘if the people of wales had not been so silly in voting to leave we would not be in this mess’ which shows that thanks toBlair and his fucking devolution, and troublemaking mischief stirrers who allowed the votes in various land masses to be used as a weapon against the referendum result rather than imposing secrecy on that for 30 years and allowing solely the fact that the sovereign state of the United Kingdom voted to leave ….. So actually Brexit, far from being a ‘government’ issue is actually a clusterfuck of the combination of labour destruction of the union combined with reluctance of the remoaners across the political spectrum to abide by the will of the people …. I am utterly convinced the 2019 GE result was a direct consequence of the slimy bastards such as our MP stating categorically in their 2017 manifesto that the vote to leave should be respected and then as soon as they were elected doing everything in her power to overthrow it. This matters because in our constituency as in many others I am sure we had a whole collection of candidates who threw £500 into a civil service black hole to offer us their way foreword and these ranged from dragging leave voters into the streets and shooting them before pleading with the EU to rejoin all the way to launching our nuclear deterrent against Calais so as to melt the sand into radioactive volcanic glass to prevent further boat people making their way here and all shades in between. And the lying conniving cunt lied about her intentions and got re elected and then set about trashing the process, . Had she stated her actual intentions truthfully she might not have been elected. That is highly unlikely given the only time she has ever been under threat was when Blair was at his most hated and then her closest threat was a Lib Dem so far up Verhofstats arse see to be genetically indistinguishable from his shit. But at least one could then say win or lose she had, like Benn and Skinner, declared truthfully her intentions if successful. Much as I dislike the policy of those two I admire the openness they brought to the battlefield. So yes, I think the 2017-2019 antics of the losers at the 2019 GE matter and matter a great deal. As for my current health situation, I accept your words with thanks. The situation is that I have lost a lot of weight without trying and this has worried two of the staff at the GP. One set of blood tests to see if the issue was down to a change in tablets for BP and blood sugar came back negative. Another set has been taken and this time I stupidly looked up what they are looking for and the answer is traces of quite alarming organ failure and about half a dozen different cancers. I’m not looking forward to ringing on Tuesday to see what they found. But what scares me most is the thought these too will come back negative and the order will be signed to fetch a boat hook shove it up my arse pull my intestines out through my arsehole and take a look at what they find …. I fear Starmer will do the same to the country … |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 20, 2023 10:47:58 GMT
Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers. Again, baseless subjective opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 10:49:31 GMT
Not really. There are quite a few racists within the East Europeans that migrated to the UK. The government has been chasing its tail since COVID . It’s undeniably a bit of a shit show atm. Yes the leavers won by a small majority l Starmer will lead a government of identity politics Imo. He has the potential to make Tories look like statesmen. We are talking about British racists, not Eastern European racists who we say we don't approve of. There are still groups of organised white supremacists in the UK. They also have links with nationalist movements. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_far-right_groups_(1945%E2%80%93present)Read section under 2010's. www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-ban-white-supremacist-group-in-the-ukIt's like whackamole. The government bans one and it reforms as something else. Have you any proof that there was enough of these racists to make a difference to the referendum or are you merely reverting back to the same false claim that possibly lost the remainers the vote? We should be taking about Eastern European racists in this county because it was free movement that allowed them to come here . In fact it was the leavers that stemmed it by the fact of leaving the EU. Something that the remainers should consider when scrabbling for the moral high ground . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 20, 2023 10:51:32 GMT
Give me three actual things that Brexit has allowed the people of Britain to do which are positive and which could not have been done while still a member of the EU. And why on Earth should I indulge that irrelevance? We voted to leave and we did. It was our choice and needs no further justification. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 20, 2023 10:56:41 GMT
So you think the US says jump, and the UK say how high? The US is not our government, the US is not our people, why would you think they can dictate our politics? We will not be blackmailed by the US or any other country for that matter, we have our own democracy, if the US want to play hard ball that's up to them, but the US is not the rest of the world, in fact with Biden as the President the US is a laughing stock. I think you will find the UK might as well be the US’s next island acquisition after Hawaii and that situation has been the reality ever since Eden was told to get the fuck out of Egypt and dad came back from making the Bristol bloodhound missiles work in the Cypriot heat and started on re-weaponising the Avro Vulcan in the aftermath of the post-suez yank decision to toss their previous deal and leave us defenceless in the face of the soviet bear. I admit I have a long memory and remember what my father told me but better that than the result if you forget such things which is why we are at the state we are with the Ukraine |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 11:02:13 GMT
Not really. There are quite a few racists within the East Europeans that migrated to the UK. The government has been chasing its tail since COVID . It’s undeniably a bit of a shit show atm. Yes the leavers won by a small majority l Starmer will lead a government of identity politics Imo. He has the potential to make Tories look like statesmen. We are talking about British racists, not Eastern European racists who we say we don't approve of. There are still groups of organised white supremacists in the UK. They also have links with nationalist movements. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_far-right_groups_(1945%E2%80%93present)Read section under 2010's. www.gov.uk/government/news/government-to-ban-white-supremacist-group-in-the-ukIt's like whackamole. The government bans one and it reforms as something else. I did have my suspicions but I didn't realise it was that bad. I suspect that few people know just how insidious the far right is. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 20, 2023 11:05:08 GMT
The US specifically warned us prior to the referendum that a US trade deal was unlikely in the near future. Some leavers just didn't listen and are now trying to put it out as a conspiracy theory! 😂 Tbh I’m not sure that a trade deal with the US is in our interests. The yanks would want too much from us. Totally agree, which was why it was a terrible idea. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 20, 2023 11:06:01 GMT
Not all leavers were racists but all racists were leavers. Again, baseless subjective opinion. As the foremost Leaver in the UK was the right-winger Farage (with a far-right mate in Trump) Perhaps the "opinion" is not entirely without foundation? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 20, 2023 11:08:05 GMT
I did have my suspicions but I didn't realise it was that bad. I suspect that few people know just how insidious the far right is. Afaik there are a lot of far right groups within the EU countries. So we are better off when not allowing them free access to the UK. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 11:08:32 GMT
Give me three actual things that Brexit has allowed the people of Britain to do which are positive and which could not have been done while still a member of the EU. And why on Earth should I indulge that irrelevance? We voted to leave and we did. It was our choice and needs no further justification. I thought one reason might be that should we go through interminable arguments with Remnants. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 20, 2023 11:10:07 GMT
Again, baseless subjective opinion. As the foremost Leaver in the UK was the right-winger Farage (with a far-right mate in Trump) Perhaps the "opinion" is not entirely without foundation? It is without foundation. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 20, 2023 11:10:17 GMT
The US specifically warned us prior to the referendum that a US trade deal was unlikely in the near future. Some leavers just didn't listen and are now trying to put it out as a conspiracy theory! 😂 So you think the US says jump, and the UK say how high?
The US is not our government, the US is not our people, why would you think they can dictate our politics?
We will not be blackmailed by the US or any other country for that matter, we have our own democracy, if the US want to play hard ball that's up to them, but the US is not the rest of the world, in fact with Biden as the President the US is a laughing stock.
I don't. I'm merely pointing out that it was never a real proposition. The biggest exponant of it was Farage, he basically thought that with Trump he could politically get a deal done, but he was mistaken because 1. The President doesn't have the last say on Trade Deals, Congress does, and 2. you and Bentley are correct that it would not have been to our advantage. Ironically the deals signed with Oz and NZ are not to our own advantage either, by our own admissions, but that's all we could do and we had to do something... |
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