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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 22:38:53 GMT
Interpol is useful, "Europol" can use it as it directs its particular interests to Europe. The EU isn't Europe, however much it would like to be. It is only part of Europe. It is particularly interested in Europe, that makes it relevant. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 22:43:38 GMT
Same old Kim: Lie & Deny. And repeat. As you big yourself up again with no ability to discuss. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 22:44:22 GMT
The EU is particularly interested in acquiring more powers and money for itself and its institutions.
Unnecessary powers and wealth.
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 22:50:21 GMT
Of course it has remained roughly the same as other similar economies. they are all working under the same rules and conditions. The question should be what is the UK's growth post 2020 compared to the same economies.
Well the figures for 2022 are not out yet but in 2021 GDP expanded 7.5% in 2021, putting U.K. at top of G-7 leagueU.K. Economy Sees Best Annual Growth Since World War II in 2021
The U.K. economy expanded at the fastest pace since World War II last year after suffering a milder hit than expected in December.
The 7.5% expansion was the largest since 1941 and made Britain the fastest-growing advanced economy in 2021.were you expecting us to do better?  Given the circumstances over the last few years I would have expected large falls followed by large increases. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 22:51:30 GMT
The EU is particularly interested in acquiring more powers and money for itself and its institutions. Unnecessary powers and wealth. Growth and investment into member countries. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2023 1:01:10 GMT
The EU is particularly interested in acquiring more powers and money for itself and its institutions. Unnecessary powers and wealth. Growth and investment into member countries. Growth is capable of happening without Europol, without free movement of people, without a single currency, without political union, without a budget of €186.6 billion, without all the crap. The EU is bloated. It is far more than it needs to be. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 24, 2023 11:26:50 GMT
The problem for the Remnants is that they've yet to win a single argument and their narrative is all negative: If we leave this could happen, that could happen, blah, blah, blah.
But their predictions of impending doom haven't happened and for most people, Brexit has made little discernable difference.
Some have seen a marked improvement in their pay & conditions.
Unemployment is down.
The economy is undented.
There are fewer Eastern European criminals.
People bleat about increased bureaucracy but competent businesses have got that sorted.
We're no longer stuck with having up to 50% of our laws determined by unaccountable foreigners.
There are really very few observable downsides for the man in the street.
Hence endless remoaning is counter-productive. And any politician who thinks that Brexit is still of concern to the average voter is sorely out of touch. So the very best thing that the remnants can do now is to shut up because they're really not helping themselves.
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 14:08:21 GMT
Growth and investment into member countries. Growth is capable of happening without Europol, without free movement of people, without a single currency, without political union, without a budget of €186.6 billion, without all the crap. The EU is bloated. It is far more than it needs to be. I disagree, I believe it has a very responsible job in Europe, eventually helping the EU countries to become safer in a world that is dominated by powerful conglomerated made-up countries. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 14:14:41 GMT
The problem for the Remnants is that they've yet to win a single argument and their narrative is all negative: If we leave this could happen, that could happen, blah, blah, blah. The problem for the Brexshiters is they are yet to prove a single argument on all their many wonderful reasons for leaving, all the public gets is their continuously whining excuses. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2023 14:26:09 GMT
Growth is capable of happening without Europol, without free movement of people, without a single currency, without political union, without a budget of €186.6 billion, without all the crap. The EU is bloated. It is far more than it needs to be. I disagree, I believe it has a very responsible job in Europe, eventually helping the EU countries to become safer in a world that is dominated by powerful conglomerated made-up countries. I know you disagree, I know you believe in it. But having watched first the EEC and then the EU, I don't think it's helped at all, in fact, considering all the crime taking place in France and some other member states now, Free Movement has made the EU countries more dangerous. Free movement of crime was never considered when the aspiration became a policy, but it happened. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 24, 2023 20:06:18 GMT
I disagree, I believe it has a very responsible job in Europe, eventually helping the EU countries to become safer in a world that is dominated by powerful conglomerated made-up countries. I know you disagree, I know you believe in it. But having watched first the EEC and then the EU, I don't think it's helped at all, in fact, considering all the crime taking place in France and some other member states now, Free Movement has made the EU countries more dangerous. Free movement of crime was never considered when the aspiration became a policy, but it happened. IMO the EU is almost like a young country in the making, it has plenty of time to mature. The real benefits from the EU should come in time, it is the architect of its own future. Maybe I'm just a natural optimist, who knows. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 25, 2023 7:08:30 GMT
And yet Tory voters are still losing faith in Brexit.
Too many sources say so to deny it.
Why do you think this is so?
Or is it that they are losing faith in the Tory party's use or lack of use of Brexit?
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 25, 2023 7:56:02 GMT
Of course it has remained roughly the same as other similar economies. they are all working under the same rules and conditions. The question should be what is the UK's growth post 2020 compared to the same economies.
Well the figures for 2022 are not out yet but in 2021 GDP expanded 7.5% in 2021, putting U.K. at top of G-7 leagueU.K. Economy Sees Best Annual Growth Since World War II in 2021
The U.K. economy expanded at the fastest pace since World War II last year after suffering a milder hit than expected in December.
The 7.5% expansion was the largest since 1941 and made Britain the fastest-growing advanced economy in 2021.were you expecting us to do better? It is very easy to show a large percentage of a smaller figure. And still have the lowest growth in the group of the wealthiest countries. Beware statistics and bias confirmation. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 25, 2023 8:05:19 GMT
I have been busy with domestic affairs but did want to ask a question.
If it is true that Interpol tracks criminals across the world and Europol tracks them across Europe, and the UK is now still part of the first but not the second, why is it that since the referendum when we were told we can control our own borders, has the UK been flooded by cross Channel dinghies and Albanian trafficking of possible children since 2020?
One could almost think that losing Europol (since all this is happening in Europe) has increased breaches of UK borders. Hmmm
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 8:18:25 GMT
Well the figures for 2022 are not out yet but in 2021 GDP expanded 7.5% in 2021, putting U.K. at top of G-7 leagueU.K. Economy Sees Best Annual Growth Since World War II in 2021
The U.K. economy expanded at the fastest pace since World War II last year after suffering a milder hit than expected in December.
The 7.5% expansion was the largest since 1941 and made Britain the fastest-growing advanced economy in 2021.were you expecting us to do better? It is very easy to show a large percentage of a smaller figure. And still have the lowest growth in the group of the wealthiest countries. Beware statistics and bias confirmation. Well our growth rate was the result of 4 decades of EU membership - if you are saying that wasnt good enough, I would agree. seems that tying ourselves to the slowest growing economic bloc on the planet and thus having EU levels of growth was not good enough.  |
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